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Offline FiLtH

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« on: May 23, 2005, 08:51:43 AM »
These are the two most hashed and rehashed topics I see (see this thread) in both the game and in here. These are my opinions.

 Headons- Personally I dont like them. But since I never was a BnZ type, I never longed for them. The guys who BnZed in AW sure did. Now they have them. It is more realistic than not being able to hit a guy headon. The problem isnt that they are an option, its the fact that so many look down upon them.

  Many merges end up with both players nose to nose. This is a shot opportunity. Whether you want to take it or not is up to you. Nine times out of ten the other guy will. If you dont want to put yourself in that position, Id recommend a different setup that doesnt allow the guy the shot on you. If a guy pulls a double immel on you and hangs there, handing you the noose to slip your head into, BUT, you didnt bite..instead leveling off long enough to conserve your tiny bit of E..so that when he drops down on you to get a headon on shot by using up the rest of your E at the last second...HE MISJUDGED YOU. He will generally say "Nice headon . This of course is his attempt to belittle you..on channel 200, for all to see. The last resort of someone who made a mistake, and can't quite come to grips with it.

  The same is for when planes like spitVs, taking a headon against an LA7 (a headon shooter if there ever was one) or other fast planes. Quite often the headon shot is the only one you will get. Take it..its in the game..its up to them to avoid it.

  When I first came here..after years of no-headons in AW..I didnt like it. But Im used to it now. Would 2 planes approaching at 300mph go head to head risking a collision to try for a headon? Probably not. But that was real life. This is a game. Some folks may never get much better than they are in week4. Those guys still want to play, and if they only seem to be able to get headons shots, then so be it. We all want to play, and kill people. The guy who doesnt want to be hit that way should take every pre-caution to avoid it. So remember the next time you see a guy say "Nice headon dweeb!"..remember..he made a mistake, and is trying to cover that up by making his opponent look bad.

RUNNING-
                  Again..some guys may never learn the ability to manage space around him, or learn to TnB. These guys generally use fast planes to stay alive longer. No one likes hearing the wheels come up every 10 minutes. Others, who are very good at all aspects of the game use a faster plane when they want to stay alive a long time and rack up some kills.

                 Each of these guys has every right to use their planes speed to escape. A 51 against a spitv when slow, will likely end up dead if he turns with the spit for a few minutes. That said..the outcome known..why waste the time re-upping, when you can just run away and set up another attack a few minutes later?

                 When a guy runs...you beat him. Either by having the better plane for the situation, or you flat outflew him. In either case..he is out of the fight for a few minutes and you are still alive. There is no need to call out "WTG you runner!!" on channel 200. Hes just doing what he has to, to live. Be it outmatched in plane type, for a slow fight, or outmatched in ability.

                  The other side of the coin, is if you are tired of planes continually out-running you, and frustrating your gameplay...try a faster plane. Go after him. Fly in his shoes awhile. You will find yourself having to run against tighter turning rides yourself at times if you want to live.

                   The main thing is..there is no need to announce to channel 200, that someone headon'd you..or ran away from your fight. Its all in the game. Broadcasting your frustration only pollutes the channel. Think of that the next time you're tempted to vent on channel 200. If you cant resist it..atleast (if you know who it is)..use PM to hash it out. We dont need to hear it.

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2005, 08:58:02 AM »
Filth, stop talking like an adult. We're all five year olds* once we enter the MA... or at least, it feels like it.


*- In Furball's case... that'd be 3 year old.
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2005, 09:03:53 AM »
It's an excellent, well-said post Filth...  Still, while I agree with what you are saying I do have to say that yes, a pony might eventually have to run from a spitV, but that eventual possibility shouldn't stop anyone from at least giving it a good merge & seeing what happens.  They can still get away later.

I think people forget that too often...  Personally, I blame the help-guide writeups on the fast planes, but that's another topic.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2005, 09:15:58 AM »
I will whine about HOs when this is all the other guy is doing.  Not after the merge were you may end up with one guy going up while the other is falling off the sky.  When you see the WTG HO tard on 200 is because that is all the other guy did.  As you said, it is a game.  If you end it in 2seconds with a HO, how mach fun did you have?

As far as the pony or the LA7 extending, again, that is not a problem.  Thats their straingth.  I do however find it hard to believe that a pony needs to extend beyond 6K before the next HO attempt.

Finnally, you have the try to cherry and extend people.  These are the guys that will make a pass while you are fighting a spitV, miss th HO, extend 5K, and repeat.  I think they do deserve the ch200 decorations.

So, not all crying on 200 is unjustified.  In the cases that Filth described is not, but I don;t think thats when you see it.  Then again, some people (hi fubar) will call you a runner when they are D400 on your 6.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2005, 09:20:43 AM »
Definately Vudak..I always give her a turn or two...but when it starts goin south..and unless the spit is new...I will escape. Unless Im drunk and dont care at that point...which could be any given friday or saturday night :)  Seriously...Id say..1 out of 20 flights..if that..I try to live. Usually I just want to get out there and shoot something.  If Im in a perked ride I will try harder...but I never seem to have more than 200 perk points on hand at one time. So that pretty much tells the story. I fly expensive planes and lose them alot.

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2005, 09:22:50 AM »
Naw, fubies little gem is to get into a Tiger battle with ya, then have a mate come in, egg ya and take off a track ;).

The extending is where I have found the new icon system a real gem. Funny how an extending Lala will fill his pants when he finds out the chasing Tiffy is actually a Tempest when the tag changes.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2005, 09:25:59 AM »
Dedalos..those are the guys that fall in the "will probably never get any better than they were in week 4" catagory.  Whats in the game design, we cant change. Those pilots arent going to change. So I guess that leaves us. I too hate headons...but unless Im in the DA, and fighting someone you can setup protocal with beforehand..no ho's etc...I expect a face full of double aught every time I turn towards a guy. And..quite often get it :)

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 09:34:49 AM »
Lol Filth.
I started pulling out of head ons until I found I was still getting tagged regularly, or I would wait and see if he fires 1st.
Not any more, if someone turns their nose toward me, they aren't getting the benefit of the doubt.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2005, 09:39:27 AM »
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Dedalos..those are the guys that fall in the "will probably never get any better than they were in week 4" catagory.  Whats in the game design, we cant change. Those pilots arent going to change. So I guess that leaves us. I too hate headons...but unless Im in the DA, and fighting someone you can setup protocal with beforehand..no ho's etc...I expect a face full of double aught every time I turn towards a guy. And..quite often get it :)


lol, thats a not a problem.  They should expect a facefull on 200 :lol
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2005, 09:39:28 AM »
Hehe Kev.. I know what ya mean!  What steams me is when the guy is a really good shot and I dive below his nose, and  I still get my tail blown off. At that point I figure.."Wow..if he's that good a shot..he doesnt need to do anything else!"

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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2005, 09:44:25 AM »
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Hehe Kev.. I know what ya mean!  What steams me is when the guy is a really good shot and I dive below his nose, and  I still get my tail blown off. At that point I figure.."Wow..if he's that good a shot..he doesnt need to do anything else!"


Lol yup thats always the problem, by breaking your exposing (oooerrr) yourself and giving him a free shot.
I've become quite good at getting those shots now, regularly pepper the cockpit of guys who try to dive below me at d600+ and watch them go boom.
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2005, 01:37:24 PM »
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Lol yup thats always the problem, by breaking your exposing (oooerrr) yourself and giving him a free shot.
I've become quite good at getting those shots now, regularly pepper the cockpit of guys who try to dive below me at d600+ and watch them go boom.


Geez, figures. In another thread a while back it was written that the way to avoid a HO was to dive under it.:mad:    :D

Ahhh...Well..It seems I'm always in the wrong aircraft for the job anyway. If it's a head on I'll be the guy in a Spit V against a Hurricane. If I'm in a 110 to do GV work all the fighters show up. If I'm in a fighter, there is no fighters but the GVs are attacking. If I'm carrying ord I need to be able to fight fighters, if I'm light I need bombs. If I'm in a turner, I need to go fast.

And it continues on the ground. If I'm in a tank a horde of aircraft show up, in an Osti I'm trying to take out tanks. If I'm in a field gun....well, thats a given, 10 seconds, one pass *POOF*

I'll tell ya, it seems like I can't win for losing. I probably need to start another whine thead :)  I could maybe title it "Charlie Brown" with the subject "Why is everybody always picking on me? ;)


i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs

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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2005, 02:17:15 PM »
HOs are like fat girls. We've all done it we just don't want our friends knowing about it. :D

Running: Here's my take on running. If your running to stay alive because you've lost the advantage then fine. I ussually will not chase you. What bothers me is the guy who will stay D1000 off my but while I'm trying to get away in my Pony, LA, Typhie, etc.  He is not gaining on me at all. He will not break off so I can't effectively turn and re-engage. Am I supposed to just turn so he can kill me? I should sacrifice my plane just so I won't be called a "runner"? If he survives the trees he usually will follow me all the way back to friendlies and then turn away. Most likely biotching on 200 which I don't monitor so it does him no good.

If I know I'm not going to catch the bandit I will break off the chase and try to regain alt while keeping an eye on him to see if he is going to come back and re-engage. If the guy on my tail does the same I will reposition and re-engage the fight.

The runner dance take 2 to participate. If you don't want to dance then don't dance.

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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2005, 02:21:43 PM »
filth ya got me today in your Ki, I was spitv, I decided to try and fight ya tight, with rolls, and ya matched me move for move, but you were a little better,  ya  beat me to the turn and it was all tower for me . The next time i came in and knew it was you, I'd turn fight and if it didn't look well extended 1k and returned, knew I had no chance in tight with ya.

And it was all class bro not a shot fired ho either direction

outstanding flying in that KI filth.  u suk:aok
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2005, 02:27:51 PM »
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HOs are like fat girls. We've all done it we just don't want our friends knowing about it. :D

Running: Here's my take on running. If your running to stay alive because you've lost the advantage then fine. I ussually will not chase you. What bothers me is the guy who will stay D1000 off my but while I'm trying to get away in my Pony, LA, Typhie, etc.  He is not gaining on me at all. He will not break off so I can't effectively turn and re-engage. Am I supposed to just turn so he can kill me? I should sacrifice my plane just so I won't be called a "runner"?  


Alternatively, you could try and reverse on the guy.  But it would require you to know how.  And to know how you will have to try.  And if you try you will die untill you learn.  But when you learn, you will see a guy 1K behind you and start smiling because you will know what is about to happen to him.  I preffer 1.5K for a reverse but 1K is fine too.  Do I die? yes, a lot.  But half the times who ever was chasing is left thinking WTF happened?

It like when xxxx asked me in the DA if I was going to chase him for ever.  He was in a LA7 and I was in a spitV.  He said he was not turning back cause thats not what LA7s are made to do, so I broke off.   30mins latter I killed him in the MA.  He was in a SpitV and I was in a lala and he was 1.5K on my tail.  Point is, give it a try.  Half the guys on your tail don't know what to do anyway.  
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