Author Topic: A little help from the LW buffs (Read 1153 times)

Rino · « **on:** May 23, 2005, 05:15:01 PM »

Hey guys,
I just received my Franklin Mint 1/48th diecast Bf-109G
"Red 1" flown by Hermann Graf. The box really didn't offer much
detail and I am curious as to the model Gustav this is.

Going to try to post a link, but I'm really stupid at this.
Thanks in advance for any help you may extend.

Phan
Graf's Red 1

Wotan · « **Reply #1 on:** May 23, 2005, 06:00:29 PM »

Graf & Grislawski: A pair of Aces by Christer Bergström

The book above will have all the info you need but IIRC that is a 109G-6 of Graf's. He was attached to JG 50 at the time. This geschwader was tasked with high altitude mosquito interception. If this is the same aircraft then the 'Rot 1' ought to be 'Grün 1'.

Claus Sundin did the profiles for Christer's book and there's is a link to one on the page a linked.

Christer posts over on TOCH

(actually he used to until the board switched over. Issues with several posters may mean he doesn't post there any more. If not you can email him.)

Rino · « **Reply #2 on:** May 23, 2005, 06:43:16 PM »

Thanks Wotan,
In fact I did see the exact same paint job on one of Graf's
birds except, as you have mentioned, it was Green 1.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 23, 2005, 07:29:28 PM »

The profile from Sundin and Bergstrom's book.

Says it's a 109G6

Dan/CorkyJr

zorstorer · « **Reply #4 on:** May 23, 2005, 09:24:36 PM »

Guppy what are the little bulges in front of the canopy? (Sorry to hijack the thread)

Rino · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2005, 10:31:07 PM »

Bulges for the heavier MGs in the G, I'm pretty sure

Wotan · « **Reply #6 on:** May 23, 2005, 10:35:28 PM »

Those are the mg ammo bulges...

Here's a decal shhet for Graf's G-6 (top one)

I think the model Rino has is mostly likely Graf's G-5 with the Werfergranate 21's. t was Rot 1...

I htink the profil guppy posted must be the G-5 as well...

Here's Sundin version of Graf's G-6:

Guppy35 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 24, 2005, 02:31:07 AM »

Not sure what to think. The profile I posted is from "Luftwaffe Fighter Aircraft in Profile" by Sundin and Bergstrom

They ID it as his 109G6 from September 43.

Right below that profile is a profile of his 190A5 also from September 43.

Heck if I know though if its a G5 or G6. Now if it was a Spit or a 38 I could tell ya

Dan/CorkyJr

gripen · « **Reply #8 on:** May 24, 2005, 02:38:00 AM »

It's quite probably a G-6. Profile in the Sundin's and Bergström's book does not contain the aileron tabs which the plane had according to the pictures.

gripen

Seeker · « **Reply #9 on:** May 24, 2005, 03:56:34 AM »

Why would it be carrying under wing rockets if they were taked with high alt mossie interception?

KurfÃ¼rst · « **Reply #10 on:** May 24, 2005, 05:23:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Not sure what to think. The profile I posted is from "Luftwaffe Fighter Aircraft in Profile" by Sundin and Bergstrom

They ID it as his 109G6 from September 43.

Right below that profile is a profile of his 190A5 also from September 43.

Heck if I know though if its a G5 or G6. Now if it was a Spit or a 38 I could tell ya

Dan/CorkyJr

Most likely a G-6 on your profile, the G-5 featured different style of head armor (not curved but flat one, attached directly to the rear cocpit part. It was needed to be sealed off because of pressurization).

MiloMorai · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2005, 06:46:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
Those are the mg ammo bulges...

The bulges cover the ammo feed chutes.

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(actually he used to until the board switched over. Issues with several posters may mean he doesn't post there any more. If not you can email him.)

I would not be surprised if he was not asked to leave just as he was on the jadgmoroner board.

Tails · « **Reply #12 on:** May 24, 2005, 10:27:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Seeker
Why would it be carrying under wing rockets if they were taked with high alt mossie interception?

Those rockets were primarily designed for air-to-air work. Used a timed fuse so the pilot, with a little (ok, a lot) of guesstimation could air-burst them in a formation.

Wotan · « **Reply #13 on:** May 24, 2005, 11:04:23 AM »

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They ID it as his 109G6 from September 43.

I don't know either. The model itself as Gripen and Kurfürst points out appears to be a G-6 but the paint scheme and the fact it has the Werfergranate 21's suggests it's Graf's G-5.

The site linked by the original posters lists it just as a '109G'.

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Why would it be carrying under wing rockets if they were taked with high alt mossie interception?

They were testing them IRCC...

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I would not be surprised if he was not asked to leave just as he was on the jadgmoroner board.

He left because that forum is turning into another 'kiddie pool' like this one. In fact the only thread I recall reading of yours over there was locked...

KraziKutschaMorai at his finest

Butch been had to warn you on his forums as well.

From how many forums were you asked to leave.. err I mean banned from?

Since you showed up here regularly this forum has gone down hill. Many of the better informed and valued posters no longer bother posting here.

We all could have guessed that as soon as Kurfürst made a post you would instantly pop out from under your rock.

Right on cue...

MiloMorai · « **Reply #14 on:** May 24, 2005, 12:29:34 PM »

LOL Wotan.

I corrected you, not Kurfy. Kurfy's post was right on.

ChB totally embarrased himself with his continued whinning like a pre-pube little child. The web masters got fed up with his 'kiddy' antics.

You do have your reading problems.

I have never had a thread of mine locked on the TOCH board.

In fact the only thread I have started there resulted in a complaint to the webmaster due to harrasment, via PM, by your hero, ChB.

This is a PM I received from the web master, "However, be assured that I will deal with Christer."

Banned, just from the UBI zoo, just like the many others who had to put up with the crap spewed by the Uber Twins.