Filibustered!

[rpm]

The Democratic party is far from Dead. Sitting here watching "Warm Springs" for the 5th time I'm reminded that the same was said about the Republican party in the past. FDR pwn3d the White House so much that they had to pass a Constitutional amendment to keep it from happening again.

The Republicans rebounded, so will the Democrats. When the voting percentage of eligables reaches 80% and the vote swings 80% + on a consistant basis, then and only then it may well be time to as for whom the bell tolls. Until that time, it is just rabble rousing by the fanbois.

One thing to remember... absolute power, corrupts absolutely. Republicans tried to change the rules in the middle of the game to suit their needs (a la Tom Delay) and again with the fillibuster changes. That may well come to bite them in the arse at the mid-terms. Beware the sleeping giant known as the silent masses. Piss them off sufficiently and they will rise.

Unless you are some sort of Madame Cleo, I see nothing more from this thread that the rubbing of salt in the wound. Enjoy it while you can.

[Silat]

Originally posted by NUKE
What has this administration "done' to this country?

Nuke need we rehash ?

How about "Im a uniter"
He has divided this country with his "mandate" of 51% of those that voted.
As much as I want Iraq to be democratic I fear its a failure. We have shaken hands with the fundamentalists there and here. This admin has learned nothing.
They lied about the war. OK you can call it bad intelligence in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.
They have set back environmental law.
They have given to the rich at our expense. Your tax rebate has cost you much much more that it was worth.



I will make you a gentlemans bet that in 10 years this administration is historically looked at as the lowest point in modern American History.

[Hangtime]

It is not.

Quit it.

Possibly we're right. Hope not. It ain't lookin real good for the average Joe.. Washington seems to be engaged in the biggest snake oil sales job I've ever had the disgust to witness.. Nixon included. By the time the 'tables turn' will we even recognize a 'democrat' when we see one?

I'm just me, one vote.. one voice. And my voice/vote seems to not count.. the nation elected somebody else and we got Commisar Booosh in a Law Slide.. Without a clear majority he started acting like he had a mandate. Then sombody crapped in our cream of wheat with some airliners and the next thing yah know America is off on a Jihad. 'Get the muslims.. somebody's gonna PAY!' is the voice of the nation and so we shoulder the 'war necessities' of infringements of privacy and liberty. What's that you say, mister goverment lawyer.. ... it's forever?

Next we camp out on an oil field, then suffer thu a 50% gas price increase. "iraq oil revenue will fund the war effort" (ashcroft) The cheese stinks!

Tax cuts? With a 50 gigabuck war deficit? And the dupes we call democrats just roll over? Who's payin for this? Norway?

No wonder Zell just up and walked out.

I'm thinkin the democrats need to do a whole chiit load of house cleaning.. chuck the rubbish 'dems' and start talkin sense... extremist dem's need their walking papers. The party is a shambles; the nation's on a narrow guage railway ride to oblivion... the pendulum ain't gonna swing back if it just falls off. We either take this election, or it's gonna be AmeriKa for SURE.

Then there's the sad new fact, already demonstrated. Issues don't decide elections anymore. Majorities don't decide elections anymore. Corporate lobbies do.

So again.. what're our chances?

Sorry Nash. We're in deep; no lifeguard, no ladder, no arms.

Kickin is all we can do... but how long before they legislate the lenght of my legs to 6" less than the depth of the water?

[JBA]

Advantage Democrats: Despite being the minority party, they were able to stave off an attack on 200 years of Senate history, tradition and process.


What attack on history?  "The first time a filibuster was used on judges" Or the unauthorized rewriting of the constitution to now have a supermajority (60) votes to pass a judge, The constitution states explicitly that all it requires is simple majority 51. The Democrats were the only ones attacking Senate history.

[Mighty1]

I wouldn't say it was Bush's fault for not uniting the country.

He has tried many times to reach across the aisle only to have his hand smacked.

There is no way in hell the Dems were going to let him succeed.

Now don't get me wrong there were things done on the Repub side that caused  problems but I wouldn't push all of the blame on Bush.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Silat

I will make you a gentlemans bet that in 10 years this administration is historically looked at as the lowest point in modern American History.

Only if the left writes the history books.

[Flit]

1. History shows that the lower the tax rate, the higher the revenue, as lower tax rates encourage investment.
2. Of course the rich save more money when the tax rate is cut, why not ? They pay more, therefore they would save more. Thats just commonsence.
3. I don't see any fundamentalist christians setting off car bombs,participating in driveby shootings of goverment officials, or cutting off heads 'cause they did'nt get what they wanted.
4. In the future, this will be known as one of the greatist periods in american history.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Silat
I will make you a gentlemans bet that in 10 years this administration is historically looked at as the lowest point in modern American History.

I'll take that bet ...

[Shamus]

Originally posted by NUKE
Nash, again a great post.

I feel that the minority should not be able to block the majority simply because they can filibuster and overrule any vote. That's not fair in my opinion.

The people have voted and placed these people in power for a reason.

A filibuster seems very contrary to democratic vaulues.

This would be so if our government were based on pure democracy, however we are not.

I was glad that change was forced to be slow and based on more than a simple majority when the dems were in power and it concerns me a bit to see one party rule being embraced by so many in the nation now.

History shows over and over that mob rule does not work for long.

shamus

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Shamus
This would be so if our government were based on pure democracy, however we are not.

I was glad that change was forced to be slow and based on more than a simple majority when the dems were in power and it concerns me a bit to see one party rule being embraced by so many in the nation now.

History shows over and over that mob rule does not work for long.

shamus

Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something.

Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let's play that over again, too. Who decides?

[Yeager]

lots of younger men populate this board.  Clinton is probably the first president they ever heard of and Algore the first man they ever cast a ballot for.....youth has its qualities, wisdom not being one of them.

on topic: the fillibuster should have been killed.  It was a rape of logic when it started and has since become a perverted form of accepted protocol.

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something.

Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let's play that over again, too. Who decides?

The problem is that pure democracy leads to autocracy more often then not.

I think thats why we were founded on a constitutionality limited republic, makes it a little tougher for the majority to jam values down the throats of the minority.

shamus

[Hangtime]

we may need a new political candidate qualification test.

"If he floats, he is a witch! If he drowns, he is worthy!"

[Raider179]

Since we are here can any find the numbers of the number of judicial candidates that were filibustered? I heard it was a really low number. Usually the threat of filibuster was enough by itself.

and I agree with you Silat.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Krusher
Only if the left writes the history books.

Keep up the blind obedience in the face of facts.

I didn't specify who wrote the books. The bet is, a preponderance of all takes on this admin will call it a failure. It wont be just lefties.
The right is already leaving this radical right administrations sinking ship.


Why does the right hate our American freedoms?