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« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2005, 02:44:37 PM »
Both the republicans and democrats are out to screw the people of this nation.


It won't matter who gets in office both are slowly going to take our rights and money away.


I would not be suprised in ten years if hate speach without violence lands you in jail.

Or that no one will be owning firearms legaly in 20.. unless they are single shot rifles for hunting.


If you think your party gives a **** about you (either one), you are fooling yourself.

Nothing will change either cause we the people are two lazy and or dumb to send them a message.

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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2005, 03:14:51 PM »
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Why does the right hate our American freedoms?


spoken like a west coast hippie LOL

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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2005, 04:41:35 PM »
screw them..


Look who democrats put up as there poster bwoy....

Howard Dean...ya...Democrats arent going to win crap with him as there spokes"men"

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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2005, 05:20:31 PM »
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Keep up the blind obedience in the face of facts. :(

I didn't specify who wrote the books. The bet is, a preponderance of all takes on this admin will call it a failure. It wont be just lefties.
The right is already leaving this radical right administrations sinking ship.


Why does the right hate our American freedoms?



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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2005, 06:33:24 PM »
Seriously, who do the Dems have that will stand a snowballs chance in hell in getting elected?


Hillary?    There are not THAT many women voters to get her in    



Dean?      WOOOOAAAAAAHHHHHH.........and no, he will never live that down.




Kerry?        He started campaigning again the day after he lost. He will not even make the Democratic nomination.



Anyone?, anyone?    beuller?


They are not a DEAD party, and they will hold office again..........not for a while

John McCain just needs to sit back and not do anything stupid until the next election and he is our next President.



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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2005, 06:37:56 PM »
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screw them..


Look who democrats put up as there poster bwoy....

Howard Dean...ya...Democrats arent going to win crap with him as there spokes"men"


You shouldnt talk about things you know nothing about.  What do you know about Howard Dean other than what you saw on the TV?  And how often can you count on that to be the truth?  

Bah.

For the most part I'm embarassed to call myself a Democrat these days, with the party being overrun with liberal crybabies and left-wing nutjobs.  Dean is none of those, but he's smart enough to use them, and smart enough to keep his distance from them too.  Still, while he may not be the future of the Dem. party, at least he gives a rat's arse what happens to it and has some kind of vision to keep it afloat.  I think it was Patton that said "Lead me, follow me, or get the hell out of my way."  What I've always interpreted that as meaning, is sometimes someone has to make a decision, even if none of them seems right.  Either have the guts to make the decision, get behind someone else who has the guts, or if you can't do it or agree with anyone else, at least get out of the way and let someone who HAS an idea have his shot.  I think Dean will kick enough butt and shake things up enough to FIND the leaders we need out of that mess, and give them a common thread to bind them back together again.  

Maybe I'm wrong.  But I see a new generation of Democrats starting to come into things.  They wont make much of a difference this next election in '06.  But by 2010 I think not only will the pendulum be well on its way the other direction again, the Democratic party will be completely unlike the one you see today.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

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« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2005, 06:41:36 PM »
I just want to know one thing. What the hell do they mean by "extraordinary circumstances"?
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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2005, 06:44:16 PM »
extraordinary circumstances= a conservative judge being nominated
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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2005, 06:48:14 PM »
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I just want to know one thing. What the hell do they mean by "extraordinary circumstances"?


One of Bush's daughters becoming a federal judge?

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« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2005, 07:42:53 PM »
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Despite being the minority party, they were able to stave off an attack on 200 years of Senate history, tradition and process.


This not correct.  There is absoulutely no history of filibustering judicial nominees.  You are full of crap with this sentence.


That said, I cannot see any advantage for the GOP.   It is libs in GOP clothing like Mccain that need to be routed out and sent over to the other side.  I find it hard to believe that he actually believes anyonce considers him a republican.
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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2005, 07:44:59 PM »
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hey have given to the rich at our expense. Your tax rebate has cost you much much more that it was worth.


This is nonsensical spew.  Give me examples.
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« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2005, 07:46:29 PM »
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What do you know about Howard Dean other than what you saw on the TV?


Well I know he has an extremely left wing voting record.  does that count?
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« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2005, 07:57:29 PM »
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This is nonsensical spew.  Give me examples.


You are Correct. Nonsensical Spew.

But; try this on for size.. (apologies for the wall of text)

One of Bush's biggest tax-cut whoppers came when he stated, during the presidential campaign, "The vast majority of my [proposed] tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum." That estimate was wildly at odds with analyses of where the money would really go. A report by Citizens for Tax Justice, a liberal outfit that specializes in distribution analysis, figured that 42.6 percent of Bush's $1.6 trillion tax package would end up in the pockets of the top 1 percent of earners. The lowest 60 percent would net 12.6 percent. The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, ABC News and NBC News all reported that Bush's package produced the results CTJ calculated.

To deal with the criticism that his plan was a boon for millionaires, Bush devised an imaginary friend--a mythical single waitress who was supporting two children on an income of $22,000, and he talked about her often. He said he wanted to remove the tax-code barriers that kept this waitress from reaching the middle class, and he insisted that if his tax cuts were passed, "she will pay no income taxes at all." But when Time asked the accounting firm of Deloitte & Touche to analyze precisely how Bush's waitress-mom would be affected by his tax package, the firm reported that she would not see any benefit because she already had no income-tax liability.

As he sold his tax cuts from the White House, Bush maintained in 2001 that with his plan, "the greatest percentage of tax relief goes to the people at the bottom end of the ladder." This was trickery--technically true only because low-income earners pay so little income tax to begin with. As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities put it, "a two-parent family of four with income of $26,000 would indeed have its income taxes eliminated under the Bush plan, which is being portrayed as a 100 percent reduction in taxes." But here was the punch line: The family owed only $20 in income taxes under the existing law. Its overall tax bill (including payroll and excise taxes), though, was $2,500. So that twenty bucks represented less than 1 percent of its tax burden. Bush's "greatest percentage" line was meaningless in the real world, where people paid their bills with money, not percentages.

Bush also claimed his tax plan--by eliminating the estate tax, at a cost of $300 billion--would "keep family farms in the family." But, as the New York Times reported, farm-industry experts could not point to a single case of a family losing a farm because of estate taxes. Asked about this, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said, "If you abolish the death tax, people won't have to hire all those planners to help them keep the land that's rightfully theirs." Caught in a $300 billion lie, the White House was now saying the reason to abolish the tax--a move that would be a blessing to the richest 2 percent of Americans--was to spare farmers the pain in the bellybutton of estate planning. Bush's lies did not hinder him. They helped him win the first tax-cut fight--and, then, the tax-cut battle of 2003. When his second set of supersized tax cuts was assailed for being tilted toward the rich, he claimed, "Ninety-two million Americans will keep an average of $1,083 more of their own money." The Tax Policy Center of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute found that, contrary to Bush's assertion, nearly 80 percent of tax filers would receive less than $1,083, and almost half would pocket less than $100. The truly average taxpayers--those in the middle of the income range--would receive $265. Bush was using the word "average" in a flimflam fashion. To concoct the misleading $1,083 figure, the Administration took the large dollar amounts high-income taxpayers would receive and added that to the modest, small or nonexistent reductions other taxpayers would get--and then used this total to calculate an average gain. His claim was akin to saying that if a street had nine households led by unemployed individuals but one with an earner making a million dollars, the average income of the families on the block would be $100,000. The radical Wall Street Journal reported, "Overall, the gains from the taxes are weighted toward upper-income taxpayers."

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« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2005, 08:20:39 PM »
Interesting.  This makes another pint of mine.  People always complain that tax cuts are for the "wealthy".  It's gotten to the point where the  "wealthy" people are the only one paying taxes.

Short of actually giving people money, I'm not sure what else can be done for the bottom 60%.  This of course would be socialism, reditribution of wealth.  It's why dems have no answer other than to whine at Bush's tax cut.  There's simply no more cutting, of any appreciable amount, for the "poor".
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« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2005, 08:24:43 PM »
I am far from wealthy, I make under 50k a year.

I benifited from both the estake tax change and bush's tax cut.



Now you can make the argument that tax cuts right now are bad idea since we are at war, but only saying the rich got something out of it is stupid.