Headons and Running

[Arcades057]

Dedalos, this game is only as fun as you or I make it.  I have fun at this.  If two years go by and my kill ratio is the same and I am still here then yes, I'll still be having fun.

Point is, HOing is part of the game, just like vulching.  I can get as mad as I want to at the vulchers but to avoid them I just need to switch fields.  To avoid the HO just go under--I do that when I want to be "chivalrous."  As you can tell from my kills, Dedalos, that approach doesn't work for me too well.  If I can duck a HO, and my kills are so low, I'm sure a senior member such as yourself can do the same...?

As for "giving someone a facefull on 200" that's childish to an extreme.  Why announce to the room such a thing as so-and-so just killed you by a HO shot?  So a couple like-minded people will agree and make you feel better--the rest of them are probably laughing at you--or whoerver does it--and saying "they're just mad they got shot down."  And that's the truth.

Lots of fun isnt't?

Yes, yes I am.

[CPorky]

For me, and everyone else that is sane, the fun is when you able to manuver yourself into a situation where you have the shot and the enemy cannot. Second place is seeing someone do the same to you in some new way you haven't seen before.

Sorry, but a shameless HO will never earn respect in here. It is sort of like playing with your donut, sure you can please yourself but the more you do it, the more you'll be doing it alone.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Arcades057
Dedalos, this game is only as fun as you or I make it.  I have fun at this.  If two years go by and my kill ratio is the same and I am still here then yes, I'll still be having fun.

Point is, HOing is part of the game, just like vulching.  I can get as mad as I want to at the vulchers but to avoid them I just need to switch fields.  To avoid the HO just go under--I do that when I want to be "chivalrous."  As you can tell from my kills, Dedalos, that approach doesn't work for me too well.  If I can duck a HO, and my kills are so low, I'm sure a senior member such as yourself can do the same...?

As for "giving someone a facefull on 200" that's childish to an extreme.  Why announce to the room such a thing as so-and-so just killed you by a HO shot?  So a couple like-minded people will agree and make you feel better--the rest of them are probably laughing at you--or whoerver does it--and saying "they're just mad they got shot down."  And that's the truth.

 

Yes, yes I am.

No one has ever said tha the HO or vulching is not part of the game.  They are.  I never said I will not take the shot or vulch either.  Its when you go to a field with the purpose of vulching and only vulching that you become a dweeb.  Its when the only shot you will ever try to take is the HO then run to 5K only to repeat that you become a dweeb.  If this style is fun for you, why pay the subscription and not just play off line.  Its saffer too since the guy taking off will not HO you on your vulch run.

Yes, I can duck the HO, it does not take any skill really.  I don't get hit on a HO merge when 1 on 1 unless I am AFK.  What I cant avoid a hero like you comming in after I have been in a fight with 1 or 2 guys for 5 minutes with no one taking the advantage, only to have my face shot off or your plane fly through mine.  Is this part of teh game? yes it is.  Is it DweeBish behavior? you can bet.

As far as the facefull on 200, well thats part of the game to.  You don't like it don't act like a dweeb or just laugh at me.  Would you prefer a private message?  

Now about your skills.  I don't know if you are good or not but it doe snot matter.  What matters is do you try.  That was the point of my first post.  if you don't try, you will never become better.  And please don't try to duck a HO by going under.  Thats like asking to be killed

[SuperDud]

I think what Dedalos was trying to say is that if instead of thinking about what you're going to do during/after the merge, and instead just go for the HO, you will never get any better than you are now. You will always be easy cannon fodder for the guys that know what to do instead of a HO. Bottom line is, if you want to improve you have die a lot while attempting to get better. Until you decide to take that next step and let one of the better players smack you around a bit, then the HO will always be your best move. If thats how you play and enjoy it, then fine. But if you ever want to move beyond this then all you have to do is ask for help, go to DA/TA and practice. The key is to stick with it through all the beating, I did and it really paid off.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by CPorky
For me, and everyone else that is sane, the fun is when you able to manuver yourself into a situation where you have the shot and the enemy cannot. Second place is seeing someone do the same to you in some new way you haven't seen before.

That's a really good quote.  Hope you don't mind I just stole it

[dedalos]

Originally posted by SuperDud
I think what Dedalos was trying to say is that if instead of thinking about what you're going to do during/after the merge, and instead just go for the HO, you will never get any better than you are now. You will always be easy cannon fodder for the guys that know what to do instead of a HO. Bottom line is, if you want to improve you have die a lot while attempting to get better. Until you decide to take that next step and let one of the better players smack you around a bit, then the HO will always be your best move. If thats how you play and enjoy it, then fine. But if you ever want to move beyond this then all you have to do is ask for help, go to DA/TA and practice. The key is to stick with it through all the beating, I did and it really paid off.

Something like that only I am bored at work and type a little more than usual

However, I am talking from experience.  I used to have the HO as my primary weapon when I started the game.  Only, I was so stupid that I would do it with 202s and SpitIs etc.  I guess it was not that bad since I lost most of them, lol

[CPorky]

I sort of liked the other sentence better.

Don't mind at all, either way...

Originally posted by Vudak
That's a really good quote.  Hope you don't mind I just stole it

[Arcades057]

I wasn't meaning to start an argument with you earlier, LoL.  I think I read some of what was said and saw myself in the comments.

HO is not the only approach I take; in fact, only recently have I begun taking it every time--well, the majority.  I fly past someone and hear "babababa..." and then get the tailspin... I hate that.  Unfortunately the only recourse is to "stoop to their level."  I make no bones about it--I WILL HO.  Not bragging, it's just a fact.  At the same time I understand there are certain planes that don't do the HO--ie the Pony.  When I see a pony I realize that the pilot is likely out for a furball and not some La7 pilot looking to beef his kills.  I go around with the Pony--sometimes I lose (usually!:rolleyes: ) but sometimes I win.  It is a much better feeling to get the guy that way, I'll admit...

Unless you see those tracers coming at you from the La7 in your 12, fire a burst of SHvAK or Hispano and get the poof!  That's pretty good too.

Now about your skills. I don't know if you are good or not but it doe snot matter. What matters is do you try. That was the point of my first post. if you don't try, you will never become better. And please don't try to duck a HO by going under. Thats like asking to be killed

I'm always trying to improve in the main.  The last thing I want is for time to elapse and I still play the HO game and get PO'd when I fly for a half hour, only to get bagged by some 190 from high.  I HAVE to learn to fly better because I do pln on subscribing when my trial is up and I DO plan on being here for a while--hell, I left AW when they went premium and missed out on some good times.

And as for the ducking under: Really?  I must be flying against...  Oh wait a sec, every time I duck under some HO'er they either fly waaaaaaay far away from me or duck right into my guns.  

I think I just disproved my own thesis here...  Time to learn the game a little better.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Arcades057
and get PO'd when I fly for a half hour, only to get bagged by some 190 from high.

Exactly.  HOs even though part of the game, they will waste a lot of your time.  You can get a new plane, a new life, more ammo, but not more time.  That one is real, lol.  Even if you win, chances are you lost your radiator, a pilot wound, etc.

If you try to under the HOer, three things are going to happen.  If he is a good shot, you will lose a few parts at best.  Second, you are picking up speed (since your nose is pointing down)  and if he was just baiting you, he will be able to reverse mach faster than you since he is slower. Best case is that he ends up higher than you.  And dont forger option three where the bad guy flies away to never be seen again, unless he finds some friends.

[Arcades057]

And dont forger option three where the bad guy flies away to never be seen again, unless he finds some friends.

This is what I've seen usually happen.  Usually I break of contact after a good five count if I haven't gained.  While watching my six I engage the remaining (if any) cons.  If the guy behind starts to gain I turn and re-engage at about 3k--usually to have the con spray at me from above.

As for the speed thing, I'll keep it in mind.  Maybe go high over him...?

[frank3]

Filth, I just read your post. That's very nicely put!

Only 1 thing, the n00bs who call names, don't read the forums

[Schatzi]

Re: Running....


I usually fly Hurri... you do the math. (although some enemies died from laughing too hard when seeing me 'running' - my last chance tactic)

And i cant really blame people 'running' from me... theyre probably just above stall speed . But i do hate it when the Panzers run....



Re: HOing



Have that very often. Don't really know if its me not being able to avoid it/setting it up or if its just that people cant get on my six and thereby HAVE to shoot me head on... dunno. As for ingame input on that question... been called 'skilless dweebish idiot' as well as 'wow great flying there' bout equal times. we all have good and bad days???

most times i try to avoid a HO by diving under and reversing on the enemy. If i can time it right, i come out 200-400 behind the other (still going straight) and *boom*. If not... shot in the belly or coming out 600 behind faster con, waving goodbye.

Sometimes i just HO back. I mean, if he REALLY wants to ho a hurri in a Zeke...





On a side note... the other day i was flying Hurri Mk1 in H2H. Some guys nearly fell over himself to avoid giving me a HO opportunity.... i dont know why he was afraid of a Mk1 HOing him... I found it kinda funny.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Schatzi
On a side note... the other day i was flying Hurri Mk1 in H2H. Some guys nearly fell over himself to avoid giving me a HO opportunity.... i dont know why he was afraid of a Mk1 HOing him... I found it kinda funny.

That cloud of little bullets makes it really hard to see, he was probably worried about a collision.

- oldman