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Offline Sandman

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« on: May 25, 2005, 12:59:44 PM »
http://news.com.com/Minnesota+court+takes+dim+view+of+encryption/2100-1030_3-5718978.html


I guess this is something to consider before using personal encryption software.

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Offline ASTAC

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2005, 01:07:14 PM »
So now anyone using encryption software is a child molester or other typr of criminal?

This is the sort of conclusions that will be drawn by law enforcement.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2005, 01:09:29 PM »
I've read as much around here.

If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2005, 01:10:21 PM »
Better start using it just for the hell of it.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2005, 01:11:33 PM »
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Originally posted by Sandman
I've read as much around here.

If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear.


I hate it when the government starts
thinking  like that. Sounds like Germany cicrca 1930's-40's..or USSR.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2005, 01:18:15 PM »
Why not make people to file a travel plan each time they leave their home.
I mean.. if they're just going to their job or to grocery store.. or anythign like that, they got nothing to hide and its all ok. right?

The airplanes usually have to file a flightplan.
One thing is that if the plane goes down, then the SAR teams can try to search for the downed aircraft from around its flight path.

Filing a travel plan would be for the persons safety in case of accidents and also to make it easier to catch criminals.
A honest person has no reason to hide his destination and it would only make his daily life even safer.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2005, 01:21:00 PM by Fishu »
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2005, 01:21:16 PM »
...and while we're at it, why do you need to put your letter in an envelope? If you've got nothing to hide, a postcard will do.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2005, 01:21:27 PM »
You know, camera technology has dropped so much in price, I bet it would be feasible to place them as safety monitors in our homes.  

Think of all the people it would save!  Spouse abuse, drug use, all of these things would be abolished.  And CHILD ABUSE!

We could have a network of people who watch others to make sure that everyone is safe.  Worried about grandma alone in her big house?  Don't worry, neighborhood watch officer Johnson has his eye on her!

Please, think of the children!

After all, it's not like you have anything to hide...
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2005, 01:32:17 PM »
Checkpoints at every city, county and state boarder too! Can't forget those..and throw in some random ones also.

Cameras in every house, on every street..think how many people we could EMPLOY just to watch...I guess we can catch married couples in illegal sex acts like oral and anal too.

We could also carry around ID card that have your fingerprint..a copy of your retina pattern and a DNA sample on em..this all a supplement to the GPS tracking chip implanted in ya and  barcode tattoo'ed on ya.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2005, 01:47:23 PM »
yes, while the conviction is not based on the ecryption evidence (according to the article) the courts are basically saying if you lock the front door to your house you're hideing something with the INTENT to commit a criminal act?????

makes no sense to me.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2005, 01:57:38 PM »
CAVITY SEARCHES!  DONT FORGET THE ANAL EXAMS!!
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2005, 02:14:10 PM »
Maybe you guys didnt actually read the article, But it says it was a factor only in combination with his searches and the testimony of the nine-year old girl. Not just because he had encryption.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2005, 02:25:41 PM »
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Read here for the real story:

http://www.minnlawyer.com/opinions/050509/a04381.htm

this guy is the girls uncle.. (wtf..) and he had the very legal laws being used against him on his machine I guess from a prior research etc.. (wtf)

this guy seems unsavory I think the testimony was accurate from the computer cop... But i also think the keystone use of pgp as precursor to criminal intent was a blunder to such that we now see this scumbag exploiting the appeal process wasting tax dollars.. (the judges also open the door for him to appeal again becuase their response is screwball at the end of the legal brief..)

I think pgp is default on all macs, and about everylinux distro out there; if this guy or his lawyer get clever then he may get off on technicality and push for a new trial..
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2005, 02:51:37 PM »
It's setting precidence based on connecting the dots. It's still a slippery slope depending on the judge who presides. The girls testimony probably was only to the acts she performed with him. They traced his internet activity to looking for Lollita sites. So ergo the encryption software must be for hiding the pictures. They are leaving out that he may have declined to give them the password to decrypt a block of picture files which would have given them reason to suspect he was hiding illegal pictures. Also they did not mention if he took digital photos of the girl and had them encrypted on his PC. A noval approch to hiding the evidence.

The slippery slope here is if you have personal finacial or medical records encrypted and the police are questioning you as a person of interest to a case to start with. The case would have a internet and computer slant. Then they ask if you would let them look at your computer if you don't have anything to hide. You say no because your encrypted records not being criminal still could have emberassing repercussions to your carreer. No to the police is always a red cape to a bull. Now its lawyer and search warrent time because in the Lollita case the incriminating files were encrypted. Only a criminal encrypts their personal files on their home PC because they have something to hide.  

The presidence is just one more area in which the police camel can stick it's nose under the tent and claim judicial precidence to streatch your 4th A rights away from you. The logic that if you have nothing to hide, you will freely allow the government to rummage around in your private papers is bogus, because it places the burden of automatic guilt on you the moment you say no to the government. Once the government starts rummaging, you are at their mercy to interpret what they think your papers represent about your guilt or innocence.
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2005, 02:58:29 PM »
Regardless of what this guy did...to assume just because you don't want someone to see something, that you have criminal activity to hide is just wrong.
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