Author Topic: ASTAC's thoughts and Views (Read 1353 times)

Hangtime · « **Reply #15 on:** May 26, 2005, 12:58:12 AM »

I'll venture that there are a heluva lot more innocents in our prisons after 'due process' than there are in Guantanamo without.

It ain't pleasant. But it's true.

"Free the American Innocents in Our Prisons BEFORE we free the 'Innocents' in Guantanamo!"

How's that for a new liberal protest slogan?

Sandman · « **Reply #16 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:03:39 AM »

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How's that for a new liberal protest slogan?

I'll settle for "Abolish all consensual crimes."

Hangtime · « **Reply #17 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:06:30 AM »

LOL! Something to work toward... Come, comrade; let us shoulder this burden together!

NUKE · « **Reply #18 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:08:55 AM »

Israel's survival has been threatened since they became a nation again in 1948. The Arab world wants Israel whiped off the map and has tried several times. They do not hide the fact that they will not accept a Jewish state.

The "Palestinians" can go jump in a lake for all I care. They have been offered their own nation, even though they have never even been a nation. They are the ones that need to learn to live with and respect fellow human beings. Makes me sick that people do not support Israel, absolutely sick. The Jews are the most persecuted people in history, and most people even today don't feel any special need to help them survive in their homeland.

If we didn't support Israel, they would have been whiped out by the Arabs. I guess you could care less.

The Iraq war was not simply about WMD, oil, democracy, or regime change. If you can't see a complex situation stemming all the way back to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, then MULTIPLIED by the events of 911, then you are lost and I give up. I just flat out give up. Simpletons are what I'd call a person I have little respect for, but I respect you and will just give up.

The EU is going to cause the weaker nations to be subject to the will of the few powerful nations. There are penalties for inflation, debt and other economic markers. Soveriegnty of nations will be lost, to be controlled by just a few. Too many different cultures and egos. Mark my words.

Hangtime · « **Reply #19 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:24:40 AM »

Nuke, Israel ain't all that much of a 'pal'.

They sold one of our front line tactical radar systems to the Chinese, after assuring us that they wouldn't.

They illegally recruit, staff and operate an intelligence service in our nation.

The USS Liberty.

Nuclear material, aid and trade with South Africa.. during the embargo.

To name but a very few. I'll let somebody else continue the list of affronts to our intrests perpetrated by our 'friends in the middle east'.

Why on earth should we continue to 'support' a nation that can (and does, any 'ol time it suits them) at the drop of a hat, sell us out, kill our servicemen, spy on us and trade with folks we've got on the embargo list?

Time we got wize.. France is a better ally than Israel.

(did I just say that.. gawd, gotta stop drinking... tomorrow I'll hate myself again)

Sandman · « **Reply #20 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:28:07 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Israel's survival has been threatened since they became a nation again in 1948. The Arab world wants Israel whiped off the map and has tried several times. They do not hide the fact that they will not accept a Jewish state.

The "Palestinians" can go jump in a lake for all I care. They have been offered there own nation, even though they have never even been a nation. They are the ones that need to learn to live with and respect fellow human beings. Makes me sick that people do not support Israel, absolutely sick. The Jews are the most persecuted people in history, and most people even today don't feel any special need to help them survive in their homeland.

If we didn't support Israel, they would have been whiped out by the Arabs. I guess you could care less.

Actually, I couldn't care less.

But... I understand where you're coming from. You're a religious man and the importance of Israel is noted in the book of Revelations. Call me a godless heathen.

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The Iraq was was not simply about WMD, oil, democracy, or regime change. If you can't see a complex situation stemming all the way back to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, then MULTIPLIED by the events of 911, then you are lost and I give up. I just flat out give up. Simpletons are what I'd call a person I have little respect for, but I respect you and will just give up.[/b]

I'm a simple guy. I think a good reason for war should be summed up in twenty-five words or less.

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The EU is going to cause the weaker nations to be subject to the will of the few powerful nations. There are penalties for inflation, debt and other economic markers. Soveriegnty of nations will be lost, to be controlled by just a few. Too many different cultures and egos. Mark my words.

I'll take that bet, but I'm neither a political nor an economic expert.

NUKE · « **Reply #21 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:29:51 AM »

Hangtime, Israel is not perfect, and neither are we. Israel has every right to exist and protect themselves and I'm glad the US has stood by them.

The Arabs are the barbaric thugs who have called for Israel's destruction and have needed to be delt with for a long time, yet Israel simply wants to exist.

No compairison btween Israel and any of it's neighbors. Sorry, I'm backing Israel and the Arabs can go screw themselves.

Sandman · « **Reply #22 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:30:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime

Time we got wize.. France is a better ally than Israel.

(did I just say that.. gawd, gotta stop drinking... tomorrow I'll hate myself again)

Well... if it makes you feel better, we wouldn't be here if it were not for France. Of course, the converse is true as well.

Raider179 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:32:58 AM »

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The Arabs are the barbaric thugs who have called for Israel's destruction and have needed to be delt with for a long time, yet Israel simply wants to exist.

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Actually I think the Torah says that when the Messiah comes he will rule the world from Jerusalem as his capital and the temple mount church gets rebuilt. So no, they don't just want to exist.

NUKE · « **Reply #24 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:37:06 AM »

Sandman, religion has NOTHING to do with how I feel about modern Israel. It's just common sense. Israel is alone and we need to protect them from the barbaric Arab thugs who would otherwise have whiped them out. And the UN turned a blind eye when the Arabs tried to whip Isael out. NOBODY but the US has helped them survive. The arabs can have the UN, Israel has the US.

The Iraq was was not simply about oil, wmd, or any ONE simple reason. I completely undertand and support the need for the war. The US erred in our favor and took care of Saddam and his games for good.

NUKE · « **Reply #25 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:38:55 AM »

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Actually I think the Torah says that when the Messiah comes he will rule the world from Jerusalem as his capital and the temple mount church gets rebuilt. So no, they don't just want to exist.

So, what does the goevernment of Israel say? Are the Israelis saying that they want to rule the world?

The leaders of a lot of Arabs thugs directly have and still call for the desrtuction of Israel. You are not equipped for this path of argument.

Raider179 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:41:18 AM »

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So, what does the goevernment of Israel say? Are the Israelis saying that they want to rule the world?

The leaders of a lot of Arabs thugs directly have and still call for the desrtuction of Israel. You are not equipped for this path of argument.

want to go the Isreali extremists vs. the Arab extremists or just governments?

Here is a good start....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/view/

In "Israel's Next War?" FRONTLINE goes deep inside the world of militant Jewish radicals who pose a grave new threat to Israeli security and, potentially, to the region. "The dream of these extremists"—to blow up the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, one of the most important holy sites in the Muslim world—"should give us sleepless nights," says former Israeli Security Chief Avi Dichter. "Jewish terror is liable to create a serious strategic threat that will turn the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into a conflict between thirteen million Jews and a billion Muslims all over the world."

Sandman · « **Reply #27 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:43:23 AM »

So Nuke, why do you think the Arabs (Muslims) have such a hard on for Israel?

Maybe there are clues in Genesis 21.

I think it's all about religion and always has been.

Hangtime · « **Reply #28 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:43:47 AM »

Nuke, that's a mighty racist and narrow view..

But rather than addressing that, consider this. The Israeli's have done a stand-up job of protecting themselves against 'extinction'.. you may recall that the last three go-arounds were all pretty quick slap downs for the 'oppressors', we didn't have to lift a finger.

Israel is a Tactial and Strategic Nuclear Power. Any doofus that try's to 'exterminate' Israel will be glowing in the dark for a few thousand years.. without so mush as a nod from us.

Next, their economy is not 'third world', Sally Struthers doesn't make any appeals from kibbutz's on the west bank. They do not need our financial aid. Hell, how many billion do we toss to these folks a year... how come we're paying for their socialized medical plan when our citizens have none?

Coffee Time, America. We're being bilked for billions. Turn the tap off to Israel; keep my tax dollars HERE.

NUKE · « **Reply #29 on:** May 26, 2005, 01:43:48 AM »

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want to go the Isreali extremists vs. the Arab extremists or just governments?

Why not just go with the actions and words of the Arab states and their leaders? Need a few examples?

The Arabs cannot tollerate even 1/10th of one percent of the middle east being a Jewish state.