ASTAC's thoughts and Views

[Raider179]

Originally posted by NUKE
Why not just go with the actions and words of the  Arab states and their leaders? Need a few examples?

The Arabs cannot tollerate even 1/10th of one percent of the middle east being a Jewish state.

Ok go ahead. Gotta anything recent or is this gonna go back into the 70's?

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by NUKE

The Arabs cannot tollerate even 1/10th of one percent of the middle east being a Jewish state.

Reality speaks louder than rehtoric. Israel HAS existed for 50 years, they have the means (nukes) to make sure the situation doesn't materially change, regardles of arab rehtoric.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Nuke, that's a mighty racist and narrow view..

But rather than addressing that, consider this. The Israeli's have done a stand-up job of protecting themselves against 'extinction'.. you may recall that the last three go-arounds were all pretty quick slap downs for the 'oppressors', we didn't have to lift a finger.

Israel is a Tactial and Strategic Nuclear Power. Any doofus that try's to 'exterminate' Israel will be glowing in the dark for a few thousand years.. without so mush as a nod from us.

Next, their economy is not 'third world', Sally Struthers doesn't make any appeals from kibbutz's on the west bank. They do not need our financial aid. Hell, how many billion do we toss to these folks a year... how come we're paying for their socialized medical plan when our citizens have none?

Coffee Time, America. We're being bilked for billions. Turn the tap off to Israel; keep my tax dollars HERE.

It's all because of US aid Hangtime. The Israelis were rushed US arms supplies more than once during their wars and would not have survived without US weapons, money, intelligence and support.

You realise that we spend nearly as much money paying Egypt off? We pay Egypt in order to buy their peace.
Call my view rascist, I call it fact. The Arabs cannot stand the idea of a Jewish state.

Israel is a country who educates their people and they are civil, modern and deserve their nation.

The Israelis produce more scientists, nobel prize winners, doctors and scholars than all the Arab nations combined, yet are a fraction of their numbers. That is not a rascist statement, that is fact.

Arab states are the ones that need to step into this century. If they refuse, I say screw them all.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Reality speaks louder than rehtoric. Israel HAS existed for 50 years, they have the means (nukes) to make sure the situation doesn't materially change, regardles of arab rehtoric.

It was not and is not "retoric" The Arabs have a history of TRYING to whipe out Isreal THREE times in 50 years. Not just talk, but actual WAR.

Israel may have nukes now, but that doesn't make them safe from the barbaric Arab fanatics who are seeking nukes and who I could imagine being barbaric and stupid enough to use them.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by ASTAC
This is where I stand on a few things.
Just thought I’d share them with you guys.

The United States is no longer the great republic it once was.

The government of the republic no longer functions

We have a representative government that represents no one.

Children have no rights guaranteed by the Constitution while in the care of their parents.

Corporal punishment should never have been banned at home or at school.

The Iraq war was not JUST for oil.

The United States should dump Israel.

The US Supreme court and the lower Federal courts are increasingly becoming the new Legislative Branch.

There are no actual Checks or Balances for the Judicial Branch.

Guantanimo Bay is a necessary evil in our “war on terror”

The new anti-spyware laws should apply to US law enforcement also.

There should never have been a “drug deal” on the filibuster issue.

It is well within the senate’s rules for the minority party to filibuster anything that goes to a floor vote. (And I’m a republican so don’t scream “liberal” at me!)

Your property is your property..Imminent domain is BS!

More to come…..

Six years of GWB will do this to even the staunchest of conservatives. I would like to say I feel your pain but I warned you two years ago not to reelect  the guy but you did it anyway.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Raider179
Ok go ahead. Gotta anything recent or is this gonna go back into the 70's?

Among the talk of Arab leaders, even today? We have Saddam launching scuds into Israel in the 90's.

[Dowding]

The EU is going to cause the weaker nations to be subject to the will of the few powerful nations.

Nope, never going to happen. Every member state can just rescind the act of government that signed them up to the EU and be completely free. I'm sure they'd do fine outside it. Switzerland is managing to do quite well, I believe.

More likely is that one of the big countries (UK, France or Germany) pulls out of the EU and it loses power. You have heard about all the problems about the ratification of the constitution by referendum in France and Holland haven't you?

As for the EU becoming some malevolent behemoth trampling on individual country's sovereignty; I can really see the UK for one going against its reputation for justice, freedom and liberal free thinking and becoming a Nazi Germany.

Face it, you're ignorant of the facts but entirely knowledgeable of your own prejudices. Unfortunately, you communicate both all too well.

[Hangtime]

Smoke and Mirrors.

Do some careful homework. While they did at one time use our hardware, these days they mostly build, fly and drive their own stuff. The majority of the stuff we sent them they usually just sell off at a discount to somebody else. (without paying us for it in the first place)

And no, it wasn't our Aid that turned the tide in any of their wars. Do the homework, Nuke. Our role in the past was in balancing our forces against those of the Soviets in the eastern med. They fought their own lil wars, our 'aid' was not 'the crux'.

Now, I'm certain that since I'm a simpleton in your estimation, and that since your views are really just based on neo-religious anti-muslim rehtoric that you'll continues to sidestep the real facts and return to expousing politically correct 1980's propaganda, but should you decide to really look into the situation you might be surprised by the facts instead of the parroted regurge that suffices for 'knowledge' in your neck of the woods.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Hangtime
And no, it wasn't our Aid that turned the tide in any of their wars. Do the homework, Nuke.  

how much would you like to bet? You better do your own homework before you assume that I don't know what I am talking about.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by NUKE
Among the talk of Arab leaders, even today? We have Saddam launching scuds into Israel in the 90's.

Ohh I see your gonna use Saddam. Nicely played. Tired but played.  My Turn...

Monday, Jan. 24, 2005

JERUSALEM -- Israel has quietly seized large tracts of Jerusalem land owned by Palestinian residents of the West Bank after they were cut off from their property by Israel's separation barrier, lawyers of the landowners said.

The land was taken after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government decided several months ago to enforce a long-dormant law that allows Israel to seize lands of Palestinians who fled or were driven out during the 1948-49 Mideast war that followed Israel's creation.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Raider179
Ohh I see your gonna use Saddam. Nicely played. Tired but played.  My Turn...

Monday, Jan. 24, 2005

JERUSALEM -- Israel has quietly seized large tracts of Jerusalem land owned by Palestinian residents of the West Bank after they were cut off from their property by Israel's separation barrier, lawyers of the landowners said.

The land was taken after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government decided several months ago to enforce a long-dormant law that allows Israel to seize lands of Palestinians who fled or were driven out during the 1948-49 Mideast war that followed Israel's creation.

So, even if that is true, that make you think that Israel wants to rule the world? That was your point, remember what a point is?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Sandman
So Nuke, why do you think the Arabs (Muslims) have such a hard on for Israel?


Maybe there are clues in Genesis 21.

I think it's all about religion and always has been.

For the Arabs, it's probably about religion. They are mostly uneducated barbarians.

The Israelis are not looking to whipe out the Arabs, but the Arabs sure have been trying to whipe out the Israelis.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by NUKE
So, even if that is true, that make you think that Israel wants to rule the world? That was your point, remember what a point is?

No I said, "I think the Torah says that when the Messiah comes he will rule the world from Jerusalem as his capital and the temple mount church gets rebuilt. So no, they don't just want to exist.

Now do I think that the Israeli's want the MESSIAH to rule? Yep you better believe it.

side note....

At a time when the United States looks to justify attacks on Iraq because of Saddam’s violations of international law and U.N. Security Council resolutions, we might consider how such resolutions are respected in this situation. U.N. Security Council resolution 446 states that Israeli settlements built on land occupied since 1967 “have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace.” Resolution 446 also asks Israel to observe the Fourth Geneva Convention, which states that an occupying power “shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” Passed in 1979, this resolution has been followed by resolutions condemning Israeli failure to comply with it; that failure continues today. Settlements continue to expand.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by NUKE
For the Arabs, it's probably about religion. They are mostly uneducated barbarians.

The Israelis are not looking to whipe out the Arabs, but the Arabs sure have been trying to whipe out the Israelis.

*sigh*

The Israeli's are just trying to wipe the arabs outta Israel is all. That's kewl. Ethnic Cleansing is a no-no for Croat's, Serb's, Checkkens, Norwegians, etc... but it's ok fer the Jew's to cleanse their country of Arabs?

Yer sounding very, very racist there Nuke. Be careful. Our Indians are watching.. and there's more of 'em where you are than there are here. (we bought this dump fer some beads and shells.. out there, yah just took it outright from the 'barbarians').

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Dowding
Nope, never going to happen. Every member state can just rescind the act of government that signed them up to the EU and be completely free. I'm sure they'd do fine outside it. Switzerland is managing to do quite well, I believe.

More likely is that one of the big countries (UK, France or Germany) pulls out of the EU and it loses power. You have heard about all the problems about the ratification of the constitution by referendum in France and Holland haven't you?

As for the EU becoming some malevolent behemoth trampling on individual country's sovereignty; I can really see the UK for one going against its reputation for justice, freedom and liberal free thinking and becoming a Nazi Germany.

Face it, you're ignorant of the facts but entirely knowledgeable of your own prejudices. Unfortunately, you communicate both all too well.

Dowding, thanks.

What I envision is a time when the EU will not want a state to leave the union, or a time when a state feels it CANNOT leave and still survive. Wars have been fought for far less reasons.

The formula for war is there right now. Never say never, it's not very smart.