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Offline 68DevilM

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« on: May 25, 2005, 09:10:12 PM »
Hosed at the gas pump -- by your debit card
You may have topped off with just $20 worth of unleaded, but the debit-card transaction could freeze as much as $75 in your account, sometimes for days.

 By Christopher Solomon

If you ever use your debit card to pay at the pump, watch out: Did you know that every time you top off the tank, a chunk of your checking account can be blocked -- sometimes for days, with the potential to cause you all sorts of financial headaches and bounced checks?

That’s what happened to Jessica Hathaway, a state employee from Allentown, Pa. Earlier this year Hathaway stopped during her commute to fill up her car at Rauch’s Mini Mart, a Shell station. She bought $22.29 worth of gas using her debit card.

The next day Hathaway balanced her checkbook using her bank’s telephone service -- and something didn’t add up. The bank said that she’d made two purchases the previous morning: one for the $22.29 and one for $75.

Trouble is, she’d only bought the gas.

Finally Hathaway called the service station, and an attendant explained to her what few people know.

How your money gets frozen
If you use your debit card at a pump that does not require a PIN, the station regularly will block out an amount -- often $50 or $75 -- on your card.

That amount doesn't “un-block” as you drive away. Instead, the hold remains until that evening, and sometimes for up to several days, until the station does a “batch” transaction, according to the U.S. Public Interest Research Group.

Each big oil company has a different policy:

    * Shell places a $75 hold for gas purchases, and it can stay in place for as long as three business days.

    * British Petroleum places a $75 hold on accounts when customers use debit or credit cards, but the hold is usually lifted after about two hours, said spokeswoman Sarah Howell. The same policy applies at its Amoco and Arco stations, Howell said.

    * Chevron applies only a $1 hold to debit cards, to ensure that a card is active, says a spokeswoman.

The reasoning behind this policy is that oil companies don’t know how much gas you’re about to pump -- only PIN-based debit transactions are processed immediately -- and so they earmark a certain amount of your money. “We want to make sure that we’re protected, that we get payment for the gasoline,” says BP’s Howell.

This general idea isn’t new. Credit-card companies have done it for a long time. (Think of when you rent a hotel room or a car, and the attendant runs your card upon your arrival to ensure you can pay for it.) It’s less of an issue with credit-card owners, however, because you’re usually told that it’s happening and you’re probably not flirting with your credit limits.

If a company puts a chunk of dough in your checking account off-limits without your knowledge, however, it can cause real migraines.

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2005, 09:13:33 PM »
I never pay cash anymore..too lazy to walk 100 feet into the station..but I've never noticed any holds.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2005, 09:18:03 PM »
Hotels do it too.

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2005, 10:58:22 PM »
so do rental car companys.  The gass station on base here preautherizes a dollar and it usually jumps to the right amount a day later.

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2005, 01:17:52 AM »
Use your debit card as little as possible. Most of the time, they have little to no protections for the user in case of theft or overcharging.

Use a credit card for stuff like renting a car, buying airline tickets or high ticket items for the protection that comes along with (as much as I don't like them, American Express is the best for this).

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2005, 01:25:15 AM »
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Originally posted by CPorky
Use your debit card as little as possible. Most of the time, they have little to no protections for the user in case of theft or overcharging.

Use a credit card for stuff like renting a car, buying airline tickets or high ticket items for the protection that comes along with (as much as I don't like them, American Express is the best for this).


Being a merchant can suck on the CC receiving end. If someone buys something from you using a credit card, then disputes the charge and they charge it back,  YOU are out of the item/service plus the money in most cases.


CC companies set their own rules.

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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2005, 01:30:20 AM »
And that is why its better to use CCs for things like I stated above.

Buy a $4k TV and find its not working properly? No worries, worse comes to worse you can get your money back as a last resort.

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2005, 01:31:58 AM »
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Originally posted by CPorky
Use your debit card as little as possible. Most of the time, they have little to no protections for the user in case of theft or overcharging.

Use a credit card for stuff like renting a car, buying airline tickets or high ticket items for the protection that comes along with (as much as I don't like them, American Express is the best for this).


Well... my debit card is a Visa card so I enjoy all of the same protection afforded to my credit card.
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2005, 02:13:59 AM »
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And that is why its better to use CCs for things like I stated above.

Buy a $4k TV and find its not working properly? No worries, worse comes to worse you can get your money back as a last resort.


And that is why is sucks to be a merchant who accepts credit cards.

I had someone on ebay buy a car stereo from me with a credit card. They then charged me back, never contacted me and kept the stereo. I was out of the money and the stereo.

I'll probably not ever accept CC's again.

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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2005, 02:16:17 AM »
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Well... my debit card is a Visa card so I enjoy all of the same protection afforded to my credit card.


I don't think you do have the same protection Sandman. I could be wrong.

I have a Visa/debit card as well.

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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2005, 03:49:51 AM »
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And that is why is sucks to be a merchant who accepts credit cards.

I had someone on ebay buy a car stereo from me with a credit card. They then charged me back, never contacted me and kept the stereo. I was out of the money and the stereo.

I'll probably not ever accept CC's again.
NUKE - could that have happened with PayPal? It's supposed to be secure, but even with that I've heard scams. Eg. African scammer buys a laptop computer for large amount, say $2000, and pays with Paypal. You part with the goods and then days later, PayPal contacts you to say the transaction was bogus and reverses the fund transfer.

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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2005, 04:11:14 AM »
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NUKE - could that have happened with PayPal? It's supposed to be secure, but even with that I've heard scams. Eg. African scammer buys a laptop computer for large amount, say $2000, and pays with Paypal. You part with the goods and then days later, PayPal contacts you to say the transaction was bogus and reverses the fund transfer.


Yes it happened through PayPal.  Nothing you can do to prevent it. Even the Paypal rep I contacted told me it's not *if* it will happen, it's *when*.

Now Paypal does have some guidlines to help the seller. They offer a sort of secure way to take credit payments......look at Ebay protection guidlines.

The only solution for me was to only accept check, cashiers check or money order. I state this in my adds and I will not ship until payment clears. That's the only way to be sure.

I used to make a living exclusivily through ebay.

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2005, 06:11:05 AM »
One other little thing you may not know about debit cards. Most, not all, retailers charge an extra $1 to $3 fee on the transaction just like an ATM. It will not show up on your receipt, only on your bank statement. When I worked for Centennial my store got a .50 kickback from our corporate office for every debit transaction.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2005, 09:04:09 AM »
debitcards+no pin=credit card... :confused:
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2005, 09:27:13 AM »
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debitcards+no pin=credit card... :confused:


Generally, debit cards require a PIN number.

Unless it is a checkcard, like Sandman and Nuke mentioned. Checkcards have the Visa, Mastercard etc symbol on them, and are essentially a credit card. You can use them anywhere that company is accepted. Mine also doubles as an ATM/Debit card as well.