Author Topic: Here it comes Laz (Read 1106 times)

Curval · « **Reply #15 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:26:35 AM »

I'm not supporting it at all. I feel that I could hold off (or at least have a chance at holding off) an attacker with a knife (of any size) whereas I would not stand a chance if they had a gun. (unless they shot as badly as I do with a handgun)

Yeager: Be interesting to note who was able to determine that. Just whose opinion was sought first? The guy/girl who was shot to death...or stabbed to death.

Amazing that after that they could be killed again and then give their opinion on which was worse.

LOL!!!!

midnight Target · « **Reply #16 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:30:21 AM »

No worries Curval... lazs is a petty tough guy, but I'm betting you could outrun him.

Curval · « **Reply #17 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:34:24 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
No worries Curval... lazs is a petty tough guy, but I'm betting you could outrun him.

Correct...he has that gimp leg afterall. Pretty tough to outrun a bullet though.

Yeager · « **Reply #18 on:** May 27, 2005, 10:41:33 AM »

curval, I dont see the humor in it. Ive just picked this stuff up over the years. Mostly from reading the opinions of crime scene investigators and people associated with determining cause of death. Pretty standard fare, plus I have my own hunting experiences to draw from.

Its akin to the debate over hunting large animals with rifles as opposed to using bow and arrow. The arrow, like the knife causes death slowely, as a general rule, by prolonged bleeding (commonly referred to as "bleedout") whereas the rifle bullet tends to be faster, instantly in many cases, and is considered "more human" for what its worth.

I can imagine preferring to die quickly rather than in prolonged suffering agony at the hands of a lunatic. Also, escaping someone with a knife, let alone fighting off someone with a knife, is a very difficult business and you are likely to be severely injured, if you survive.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 27, 2005, 12:50:44 PM »

Yeager, if your deer are dying any more slowly from an arrow wound than a rifle bullet, you are using the wrong bow and arrow. Considering a modern compound bow with expanding broadheads and modern, lightweight composite arrows can reliably fire said arrow at over 1000 fps and hit a deer 75 yards away with enough force to spit a chunk of his heart the size of a golfball out the other side of his chest cavity, there isnt much "bleeding out" to be done at that point, above and beyond what happens with a high power rife bullet. As a matter of fact, when you add in fiber-optic sights that have been properly ranged, there's as little chance of missing under 100 yards as there is with a scoped rifle. Which is why I turned to black powder rifles with iron sights for my hunting. Recurve bows are too cumbersome for me to consider a viable alternative in the woods, and everything else is so easy these days its more of a slaughter than a sport.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #20 on:** May 27, 2005, 12:57:58 PM »

wait till they pass the "protect everyone act" and everyone will be wrapped up in kevlar bublle wrap ALL THE TIME so no one at all can get hurt.

Yeager · « **Reply #21 on:** May 27, 2005, 01:05:52 PM »

Wow...arrowheads that cause mass tissue damage and tear out deer hearts for instant stop one shot kills hehe.

Guess I need to keep up on bow hunting technology.

Real bowman use longbows.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 27, 2005, 02:34:15 PM »

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wait till they pass the "protect everyone act" and everyone will be wrapped up in kevlar bublle wrap ALL THE TIME so no one at all can get hurt.

It's good to see Gunslinger's now making his own body armor

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2005, 02:38:28 PM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Yeager, if your deer are dying any more slowly from an arrow wound than a rifle bullet, you are using the wrong bow and arrow. Considering a modern compound bow with expanding broadheads and modern, lightweight composite arrows can reliably fire said arrow at over 1000 fps and hit a deer 75 yards away with enough force to spit a chunk of his heart the size of a golfball out the other side of his chest cavity, there isnt much "bleeding out" to be done at that point, above and beyond what happens with a high power rife bullet. As a matter of fact, when you add in fiber-optic sights that have been properly ranged, there's as little chance of missing under 100 yards as there is with a scoped rifle. Which is why I turned to black powder rifles with iron sights for my hunting. Recurve bows are too cumbersome for me to consider a viable alternative in the woods, and everything else is so easy these days its more of a slaughter than a sport.

Who the f**k CARES if the deer feels pain? We have guys posting that they can beat someone to death w/ their own hands and others care if bambi has a fatal arrow wound I wish you closet PETA wannabees / toughguy hunters would stick to ONE program.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2005, 03:03:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Who the f**k CARES if the deer feels pain? We have guys posting that they can beat someone to death w/ their own hands and others care if bambi has a fatal arrow wound I wish you closet PETA wannabees / toughguy hunters would stick to ONE program.

Ummm......

If you choose to believe those stories about "they can beat someone to death w/ their own hands", thats your problem. I hear alot of those stories every day. No different than monkeys beating on their chests and howling.

I dont care so much if the deer feels PAIN, so much as I care that it doesnt get away and suffer for days before dying from a wound filled with pus and gangrene. I care because if I only wound instead of kill, it speaks to my lack of skill. I care because leaving a wounded animal to suffer is just wrong. No hunter I know that's worth a damn would do that. I care because wounded animals are dangerous, to other people and property. Perhaps because I was taught a basic respect for life by people who cared what I turned out like. I'm sorry you lacked that. As for PETA, they are only useful for comic relief. Kinda like your post here.

Oh, and most of all Mr. Smarta**, I care because its the FRIGGEN POINT of hunting is to KILL what you are shooting at. Not wound it and watch it die slowly.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 27, 2005, 03:11:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Wow...arrowheads that cause mass tissue damage and tear out deer hearts for instant stop one shot kills hehe.

Guess I need to keep up on bow hunting technology.

Real bowman use longbows.

I do love shooting longbows and recurves, but I just cant see hauling something like that around in the woods. Not for me at any rate. If you like it more power to ya bud. I like carryin my Hawken replica with powder horn and such out for hunting. Yeah I cheat and use pre-lube patches to make cleaning easier, but the rest I try to stay as far from "modern" as possible. Just more challenge.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #26 on:** May 27, 2005, 06:28:51 PM »

I've been deer hunting with compound bows for over 20 years, and even worked for the state wildlife agency, and I've NEVER seen ANY compound bow that can shoot a regulation hunting arrow/broadhead combination to anywhere NEAR 1000 FPS.
Not even a 95 pound draw bow with twin cams, shooting a carbon fiber arrow with a 90 grain broadhead shooting off an overdraw.

Toad · « **Reply #27 on:** May 27, 2005, 07:07:23 PM »

You haven't seen the new rocket-propelled arrows? The charge ignites about 5 feet out in front of the bow.

lazs2 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 27, 2005, 07:35:10 PM »

Well... if the bad guys have knives... blunt point or otherwise.. I want to be able to shoot em rather than some messy struggle.

curval... myu three year old grand daughter can outrun me. I do have some small skill in getting people angry enough that they get in range tho. It's a gift.

The thing is.. Mav is onto it... the real secret is to have the law abiding be better armed and trained than the bad guys.

lazs

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 27, 2005, 08:37:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I've been deer hunting with compound bows for over 20 years, and even worked for the state wildlife agency, and I've NEVER seen ANY compound bow that can shoot a regulation hunting arrow/broadhead combination to anywhere NEAR 1000 FPS.
Not even a 95 pound draw bow with twin cams, shooting a carbon fiber arrow with a 90 grain broadhead shooting off an overdraw.

Correct. My competition bow I can break 275 fps with. I've seen guys around 350, but thats some expensive stuff. Those guys never see the woods really, they just live for competitions. The 1000 fps thing was an extreme exaggeration, designed to see how many I could catch. Damn you Capn lol.