Finally some good news in Iraq/discuss vietnam with amerihaters thread

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Slash27
What "way" is that?

Well you know they tend to lead off with Michael jackson, The runaway bride, some missing white kid, a car chase,  then 1 minute on Iraq, then onto some other pointless crap that they say America is watching.

[Raider179]

On another matter I am sure that somehow this will be bad in the long run somehow someway. lol

 Iraq's freshly minted legislators pounded out their first agreement on the 15 basic articles to guide their new constitution - including democracy, federalism, separation of powers and making Islam the state religion.


Now thats how you make a state sponsored religion. lmao

Ohhh Zarqawi please tell me you and Osama are having a git together in Iran.

Britain's The Sunday Times reported that al-Zarqawi left the country after being wounded in a missile attack and was thought to be in Iran. The paper said it obtained the information from an unidentified senior insurgent commander with close contacts to al-Zarqawi's al-Qaida in Iraq group. Iran denied al-Zarqawi was there

[JB88]

Originally posted by Swoop
popcorn - check
deckchair - check
plenty to smoke - check.

ok, carry on.

[lazs2]

well... the Abrams method is what we are doing in Iraq.   When Abrams left over 90% of the South was completely under the control of South Vietnamese forces and police militias.. there had been no rocket attacks of any significance for years... no offensive by the North had been able to take place for two years.  Even John Vann said that the war was won.   The policy of holding onto territory with U.S. supplied southern troops and milita was working perfectly.

The protests and peace talks didn't lose the war by bringing home the troops.   The U.S. troops were allready pulling out in a planned manner and the south was taking up the load in an admirable way defeating the north in every engagement.

The protesters and peace talks cut the FUNDING for the south... and still... the huge advantage we had won kept the north from mounting any kind of major attack until 1975.   The war was lost after we pulled out and it was lost by congress and the diplomats at the paris "peace" talks.   At one point the south was down to one bullet per man per day and equiment readiness of about 10%

Now... the strategy that won the vietnam war is sound... hold ground and instal indiginous forces (who can recognize the bad guy and deal with him effectively)  the indiginous know what needs to be done and don't really care about the press.

The war can be lost in the same way vietnam was if people like gixer get their way tho just as easily.   We can abandon them like gixer seems to want and allow the gains to evaporate as lack of financial support kills the indiginous effort..

In which case... gixer can do the same thing as the protesters in 72 did and claim a moral victory while the country reverts.  

We have allready won the war in Iraq.  We need to support the indiginous people while we make an orderly withdrawl... and not until they can handle the forces from outside massed against them...

we can repeat history or make it.   I feel that we are on the cusp of another vietnam but with happier results.   New leadership can allways throw it away tho and repeat history.

lazs

[CavPuke]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Gixer,



In EVERY ground engagement of any size, the US kicked the crap outta the NVA.  

Unfortunately for the US, the clips of body bags arriving home on the evening news and the US media helped to trigger a series of events that restricted the US's overall prosecution of the war.

Sadly most folks know very little about the war, outside of a few blurbs in history books.  I suggest you might read "We were Soldiers Once... and Young" by Lt. Gen. Harold G. Moore (ret.) and Joseph L. Galloway (ISBN 0-345-47581-X) especially the travails that the 2nd Battalion 7th Cavalry had to endure during their "Walk in the Sun" to LZ Albany.  A common misconception, or myth if you will, is the influence that the media had on the conduct of the war on the American populace as a whole.  The overriding failure was in the will of the Johnson administration to conduct the war as a "Police action", failure to call up the reserves, federalize the National Guard, or allow "Hot Pursuit" of enemy units across the borders of Cambodia or Laos.  Lam Son 719 also points out the failure of the RSVN forces to defeat the NVA in a conventional type engagement after the "Vietnamization" as advocated by Gen. Abrams.  Yes the U.S. could have won the war if it were conducted as a war, not as a  series of increasing applications of military power designed to bring the DRVN around to the idea that "Unification" would be too high a cost politically and economically to bear.  The Johnson administration was scared to death of the PRC becoming involved by widening the war into Cambodia and Laos, hence the piss poor micro-management of the war by Johnson and Mcnamarra's "Whiz Kids".  

  To all the vets that served there I offer you my heartfelt gratitude for your service and your sacrifice.  Hopefully the politico's will pause and reflect on the conduct of the war by the Johnson and succeeding administrations prior to comitting U.S. military forces to any future conflict (one can always hope).