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Offline Nomak

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« on: May 30, 2005, 09:23:12 PM »
I have decided to make the 109G10 my new main-stay.

I expect my k/d to go up and my k/t to go down.

Really though I need advice and hitting stuff with the mk108.  Anyone???

Thx.... Dave

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2005, 09:25:37 PM »
get close and aim :aok

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2005, 09:36:50 PM »
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I expect my k/d to go up and my k/t to go down.
score potato ; P


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Really though I need advice and hitting stuff with the mk108.  Anyone???
it is not easy, think about cannon / potato drop 3 times that of hispano
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2005, 09:51:02 PM »
I could be wrong but it seems to me the problem is more with the cyclic rate as opposed to projectile drop.

Thoughts?

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2005, 10:09:57 PM »
Both are problematic. The bullet drops a lot, and the rate of fire is also slow.
 
 Some people, like Grunherz, or the ol' Assasins guys are experts in 30mm gunnery, but having flown the 109s almost exclusively since 1.05, I think I can speak for the more average grade of pilots.

 Never fire over 200 yard's distance. Pure 6oc shots over 400 yards against a maneuvering enemy is almost a total waste. The G-10 is among the fastest plane in the set, so a chance to get that close against the target, will come. It always comes.

 The best time to fire at, is when you get in real close, and the enemy starts maneuvering in either scissors or rolls. Don't slow down. You WILL overshoot. Just before the overshoot a critical moment comes when the enemy is showing a lot of surface area(either the belly or the back) since he is maneuvering. The distance is very close, and this one opportunity is the best opportunity you will ever get with 30mms.

 Let 'er rip, and don't miss. If you miss this opportunity you will have to reposition yourself(not to mention you will be briefly exposed to enemy fire). So, if you think you see an opportunity, don't mind the low ammo count and just hold down that 30mm trigger. If you can land one shot among 20 rounds fired, that's good enough.

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2005, 10:11:23 PM »
ps) Oh.. don't shoot if you are too close.. like under 20 yards. The 30mm HE will damage you too if you are too close.

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2005, 10:59:30 PM »
Is the single 30mm the best load-out for the 109 series?

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2005, 11:04:39 PM »
If you are a good aim. I take the singal 20 vs fighters and the 30 with the gondies vs bombers.

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2005, 11:26:57 PM »
Depends, Nomak.

 Twoface(flying as 'tufee') is one of the best 109 pilots in the MA although he's rarely seen nowadays. He used to fly a lot a few years back, when the familiar faces such as rraf, feed, supongo, hblair.. etc etc.. were around. Some of you might remember him.

 Twoface is one of the pilots who uses 3x20mm loadouts. This offers triple firing 20mm cannons with 400 rounds, and is almost in league with the firepower of the Fw190A-5. Twoface is a good pilot, but he's one of those who emphasizes powerful snapshots and quick kills over the precision gunnery and dead-heat maneuvering required when using a single 30mm.

 If you're in a position to keep the loss of speed, climb, and rollrate under control, taking gondolas actually might be a lot better. Especially if you aren't much confident in gunnery.

 30mms run out quick, and they are hard to hit. Unless it's a pure and clean bounce, or, an optimum firing opportunity arises like in the case I've wrote in the previous post, against enemies that are aware of your presence and will enter defensive maneuvers it is dang hard to land. Taking even short snapshots can be a waste, and you have to maneuver a lot to really get that 'perfect' opportunity.

 A P-51 or F4U might spray a little .50s time to time during maneuvers for hopes of a lucky shot or a cockpit shot.. but you can't do that in a G-10. You have to maneuver, maneuver, and maneuver.. until the enemy is at deck, runs out of all E, and you finally get that 'perfect chance' you are waiting for. That's the hardships of using single 30mm cannon for the average 109 pilot. Usually by the time you work your prettythang off to get the target to lose all E, a friendly Spitfire will come and reap what you've sowed so hard instead.
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2005, 11:37:01 PM »
Gondies really arent an option for me.  I dont mind them on the g2/g6 but the g10 is just a pig with them.

I need to be able to knife fight with 38s/51s/other109s

So for me the g10 load-out question is single 20mm or single 30mm.

BTW I not only remember HBlair I used to duel him in 109s ;)

c yas up.... Dave

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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2005, 01:01:39 AM »
Take the 30s Dave. Make em count.
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2005, 02:30:42 AM »
30mm.  200 yds.  1 round will take a wing off if it hits.  If I can get a good sight picture at 200yds, 3 rounds fired = 1 pile of junk in your forward view.

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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2005, 02:48:29 AM »
the best bomber killer for me, with gondolas, but i shoot/waste all mgs rounds shortly after take off,  works better , if i hit,  i know i hit with cannon rounds and concentrate fire,the buffs blow up eassy,
 i think are 3 guns with diferent balistic on the same plane, is  hard to hit all of them in the same spot,

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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2005, 02:56:10 AM »
and beware of F4Us....
"We're surrounded. That simplifies the problem."- Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, General, USMC

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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2005, 04:31:55 AM »
hey nomak, i was locked about the gondies thing too, i was sure they will force me to fly in a strict BnZ way.

but after a couple of months i decided to give them a go.

i was amazed on how much it improved my gunnery in the G10. what you might loose in low speed hendling you get back in snap shot abillity.

all im saying is give them a try :)