Author Topic: Is this a joke? (Read 1863 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #90 on:** June 02, 2005, 08:18:26 AM »

how is burning the flag any more "free speech" than not wearing a seat belt or helmet?

MT.. the DOJ does not make law but... this was a very long and complete study and you can bet that it will be used in the decision making process by the supremes. It is well thought out and thorough (did you read any of it?).

The fact is that "the people" as mentioned in the amendments are individuals and if ever the supreme court were to rule that the second did not secure an individual right then all the other amenedments would be in jepordy of having "the people" mean the right of the state and not the people.

The DOJ simply states that the meaning of the second is very clear and that all arguemnts against an individual right to bear arms are too weak to contemplate.

That does not mean that restrictions on types of arms and places to bear arms can't be made but... the part about "militia" means that the restrictions can't make it so the people don't have modern effective arms.

My take is that restricting us all to 6 foot long single shots that could only be stored at a government range would violate the amendment. It would be impossible to form a militia with such arms and storage.

lazs

Thrawn · « **Reply #91 on:** June 02, 2005, 09:36:43 AM »

It astounds me the number of people in this thread striving to give up their freedom and give more control and power to the government. Absolute freaking lunacy.

lazs2 · « **Reply #92 on:** June 02, 2005, 02:25:32 PM »

first of all thrawn... are you talking about our government or yours?

Second... I agree that giving power to governments should be the very last resort for any problem.

third... What "people" are you talking about? the ones who want to ban flag burning or the ones who want to ban guns?

4th... I do agree that anyone should be able to burn any flag they want (within local fire laws) but I believe that it is silly to protect flag burning or pamphlet burning or trash burning under the guise of freedom of speech.

lazs

Pooh21 · « **Reply #93 on:** June 02, 2005, 02:41:45 PM »

Ok again back to the topic

Dave Chappelle left the country cause instead he is uncomfortable with the idea of making the infidel laugh instead of waging holy jihad against him?

Thrawn · « **Reply #94 on:** June 02, 2005, 04:40:21 PM »

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first of all thrawn... are you talking about our government or yours?

Both.

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third... What "people" are you talking about? the ones who want to ban flag burning or the ones who want to ban guns?

Both.

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4th... I do agree that anyone should be able to burn any flag they want (within local fire laws) but I believe that it is silly to protect flag burning or pamphlet burning or trash burning under the guise of freedom of speech.

lazs

I won't be stickler for which right someone wants to call it. How about the right to do what the hell I want as long as it doesn't harm someone else.

Chairboy · « **Reply #95 on:** June 02, 2005, 05:17:56 PM »

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I won't be stickler for which right someone wants to call it. How about the right to do what the hell I want as long as it doesn't harm someone else.

Welcome to the Libertarian party!

Thrawn · « **Reply #96 on:** June 02, 2005, 10:18:54 PM »

Indeed.

Nash · « **Reply #97 on:** June 02, 2005, 10:24:21 PM »

Libertarian? phhhtt.

lazs2 · « **Reply #98 on:** June 03, 2005, 08:15:36 AM »

ok thrawn... I suppose that we agree on all the points. Have you had a recent change in your way of lookintg at things?

lazs