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Offline JB73

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2005, 05:34:12 PM »
first i'll address the colors. i used these as resources:

histoy and colors from:
"Walk Around FW 190D" ISBN 0-89747-374-4

online references used:
http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/fw190d932cm_1.htm
http://modelhangar.virtualave.net/schwarz12.htm
http://www.scalevision.com/new/fw190d9black12mt_1.htm

on one page:
The fuselage was painted in a scheme of RLM 81 Braunviolet, RLM 82 Hellgrun and the "spuriously designated" Grunblau 84. and int he picture it is tan.

also:
Many arguments have been put forward over the years as to what the actual paint mix used to create "84" is, some have claimed it is poorly-manufactured RLM 76


i used here:
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/colorcharts.asp

and here:
http://www.skinnersheaven.com/

as color references. the vairence of RLM 84 (green-blue, or grun-blau, also named Gelbgrau, and even Yellow-Green) was so wide there is no single reference you can trust.

in the end i used a cross between the definate greenish blue in my book, and the yellow-tan on one model example. the finished color is not as green as my book, and not as yellow as the one model. notice on one example it is almost just gray-tan.

the wing uper and lower surfaces i followed the pattern and again split the color references i found to find a medium. i think they are pretty close to the Christopher Mangion model.

the cowl dark green is taken from the color sites also, and is closest to Mark L. Tucker's model. notice the picture he has of the left side. i think it is pretty drn close, i spen probably 2 hours on that color.

the werk number 500570 is on the stabilizer, just mostly obscured by the brown. in real life and the models it is easier to see black over the brown than in game with lower resolutions.

i will spend some time tonight trying to add more dirt to the cowl, though with the way the bmp wraps, and duplicates the area between the guns it is very diffucult to go with something other than a solid color.

i the image here the boxed area is stretched wildly, and the replicated between the guns:


the left and right are seperate and duplicate like this:


if anyone has advise on how to make smooth transitions in that area please let me know, i am at a loss. as you can see in the shot with the blue and green i do have gun rasidue in the channels, it is getting it outside of those channels i can't figure out. if i make dirt between the guns it also must be on the outside of the guns a good length down the sides (where it would not possibly get)

from the shot of the cowl, you can see the radical stretching in a "paint chip" i put there, it is only a few pixels tall, but it stretches from the panel line all the way to the middle of the cowl. os if i put dark "dirt" it will have to go all the way form the panel line up to the middle of the cowl. not realistic at all.

United, it is OTW now BTW.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2005, 05:37:26 PM by JB73 »
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2005, 06:01:58 PM »
Here they are.  If you need more or some of any certain area, let me know and Ill get em ASAP.  IMO it looks 10000 times better at higher resolution.








 

JB73, it looks awesome in your bmp file.  For some reason, that great look to it kinda fades in game.  Also, I stand corrected about your riveting.  In the game, its very visible and looks great, but it doesnt stand out as well in the pictures.

Also, the JPEGs are quite more blurry than the bmp pictures are, and I appologize for that.  But, these pictures don't do that great scheme any justice. ;)  If you want the bmps, just ask and I'll send the full screenshot.

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2005, 06:08:33 PM »

Thats black 12 change the green to light brown

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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2005, 06:15:01 PM »
Great profile, whered you get it?

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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2005, 06:24:05 PM »
well thank you sir! <> glad you like it.... so it does look good in-game?



im sitting here frustrated at my exahust though LOL. the way i made it it doesn't really touch the wings except a tiny bit in the middle of the wing (if you look closely in the skin viewer)

whenever i add "dirt" to the actual wings, at the root, it makes the line along the fuselage more distinct, and off looking.
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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2005, 06:28:22 PM »
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Thats black 12 change the green to light brown
no thats ONE version of it.

i dont like that version, and don't want to skin it, and im not going to. if HTC says they dont like my skin fine. im not changing it to some puke brown think that looks nothing like the other 4+ profiles i have seen of it

this one is completely different:


this one is even different:




the one in my book is even different
GD it i need a scanner
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2005, 06:41:47 PM »
found a model of the grun-blau fuselage:

http://www.modelersunderground.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4661

this pic shows the best idea in the color i have as a reference:


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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2005, 04:07:53 PM »
If the pic of the plane sitting on the wood planks is REAL ... then that, to me, would be what I would shoot for. The profile that SC provide matches exactly to this plane.

The pics of the model in the forum that you point to ... the markings are exactly the same as the plane in the picture, but as far as I can see ... he got the colors wrong. I think he used a lot of artistic interpretation in making his model.
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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2005, 04:20:11 PM »
they are all models (even the one on the wood planks) but the green one is the one in the picture in my book.

like i said the RLM 84 is an "unknown" color.


and i like green ; )
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