M16 armour

[CPorky]

Agreed completely... I'm betting a .45 at point blank range would go through it, or come awfully close.

Those things are like the WWI battleships, egg shells with hammers.

Originally posted by SlapShot
Was up close and personal with one on Saturday at "Corsairs over Connecticut" and made a point to do a walk around and check the amour. The thickness appeared to be 1/4 thick steel plate.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Kweassa
The most important thing, which you forgot to mention would be "proof",  Cap'n. Basically you're claiming stuff here which can not be really verified. Maybe your attacks on the open top vehicle isn't all that accurate as you claim it to be.

 Don't get me wrong, sometimes I'm also as much frustrated to try and attack an Ostie without any success... but I'm pretty sure it's because I had a bad aim. Other times when I was in an Ostie or a M-16, I had plenty many occasions where a very short volley of 20mils or .50cals would just cleanly knock the turret out. Since I'm no LTAR when it comes to AA shooting, pretty much everytime an enemy aircraft comes strafing at me my turret will be knocked out. It's usually when they come in very steep.


 Maybe you should pick some of your friends and run a controlled test to see if the turrets are really that strong. At least, in my impression, it's plenty easy to knock out as long as you have the right angle and right aim.

I never claimed all my attacks were deadly accurate. I said that when I see the entire top of an open top GV covered in hit sprites and I'm firing multiple heavy machine guns and or cannons at a high angle of attack I would expect to see results, but often don't.
I know immediately when I miss, I can see it easily, I don't expect damage when I see few if any hits. I only expect results when I see the GV look like it is being attacked by an A-10, covered in hit sprites with tracers pouring into it and only a few bouncing off of it. It just seems odd to see one lit up like that and watch it sit there undamaged like nothing ever happened. I never said I was a deadly infallible expert at hitting them.

[Kweassa]

I said that when I see the entire top of an open top GV covered in hit sprites and I'm firing multiple heavy machine guns and or cannons at a high angle of attack I would expect to see results, but often don't.

 Because, maybe you didn't land any sprites on top of them, despite what you think you might have seen? Ever consider that possibility?

I know immediately when I miss, I can see it easily

 Don't count on it.

 Many people claim on what excellent observations they make, until they are proven wrong by actual footage/recordings of the said incident..

 Try remember the "50cals can't kill acks" fiasco on the boards. They came to the boards and exclaimed that it must be something wrong with either the acks or the 50cals. Not for once, did anyone ever admit the possibility that they were the ones who were wrong, not the game.

 It wasn't until controlled tests and recordings proved that they were utterly wrong. They were firing hundreds of rounds, yes... but did they land hundreds of rounds? Contrary to what they were claiming, nope!

 There's a possibility you might be experiencing the same thing.

I never said I was a deadly infallible expert at hitting them.

 True.

 But you're absolutely convinced that what you're seeing is always coherent with what is actually happening, which I, seriously  doubt.

 Believe me, I've done a lot of close-range anti-GV runs and pin-point strafing runs at low alts. In such runs, things are never just what they seem.

 You can swear that you're landing good 23mm shells on that Panzer, which seems to just shrug off every attack. You think something's wrong with that Panzer.. maybe lag or something.

 And then, what happens is that when you check out the film recordings later, you will ALWAYS realize in embarassment that you were seeing things wrong. This happens to everyone all the time.

 So, again, I suggest a controlled test. That'd be the fastest and easiest way to prove your point.

[Tilt]

I think a point CVH argues towards is that there are no injuries to personnel modelled out side the pilots seat.

A straffing attack of any calibre should IMO cause gunner injury in an open top or light weight vehicle.

Equally re ac gunners IMO. They should continue to regularly pass out until they die causing intermittant fire from auto guns and blacks when manning that position.


Given all this however and assuming HTC/Pyro does nothing by accident............. why do we think the M16/m3 is so robust when fired upon (in this instance) by a 75mm howitzer at short range?

[Kweassa]

So if an airborne fighter so much as sneezes at an AA vehicle it's turrets can go dead?

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Tilt
Ok i know others have mentioned such stuff..............

I noted the other evening that hits to engine hood (2 of them) passenger door, front wheel area and  rear bed from an LVT4 at an M16 at a range of approx 200 ft (i was by the selection hanger he was just the other side of the runway on a small field) had no actual damage effect interms of disabling part of his vehicle.

He finally sucumbed to local ground gun fire after we captured the field. (or he returned to tower)

The M16 is basically a truck right? How many 37mm hits should it be able to survive without disabling any part of it?

I put 12 rounds from and M8 into the face of an m16 running HO towards me.  Is seems that the guy knew I could not hurt him since I killed him in an Osti first and then he came after my M8 in a M16   He kept comming till he drove through or past me, stoped, aimed, fired a 2 sec burst and no more M8.

[Lye-El]

Trying to defend last night in Ostis, myself and several other defenders kept getting our turrents knocked out by F6Fs. One pass *POOF* no turrent.

It seems the Allies didn't have to worry too much about German air defense artillery.

[jaxxo]

m16 is pathetic if gunner isnt top notch...ostis will lose the turret if hit from just about anything at the right angle. try to keep moving in the ostwind if the attacker has a steep angle..take him head on if he's coming near level to ya.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Kweassa
So if an airborne fighter so much as sneezes at an AA vehicle it's turrets can go dead?

Rather he was injured for a while first..unless it was a big or repetitive sneeze

[straffo]

I've not trouble killing M16 they key is : 90°.
For the osty often I need 2 passes but the recipe is the same.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by straffo
I've not trouble killing M16 they key is : 90°.
For the osty often I need 2 passes but the recipe is the same.

The question was related to ground to ground stuff

[straffo]

In this case it look that HE work better than AP (empiricism at work)

[jetb123]

ive tooken out a panzers turret with my m3 50 cal. Funny how i cant do that with a P-51 that has 6 50cals.

[Lye-El]

Now that just ain't right.......

[Morpheus]

Try remember the "50cals can't kill acks" fiasco on the boards. They came to the boards and exclaimed that it must be something wrong with either the acks or the 50cals. Not for once, did anyone ever admit the possibility that they were the ones who were wrong, not the game.

Not to hijack this thread... But.

A single .50 cal round to any firearm would disable it. Not to mention 50-100 rnds of 50cals.

I've fired a 50 cal on more than a few occasions. I know what they can do to armor plating. And it doesnt take long for one to find examples on line of what they do either.

The 50 cals we have in the game now are armor piercing rounds. One hit to any firearm or AA gun would most likely render it inoperable. Again, not to mention 50-100 hits.

The thing that I find remarkable is that 1-2 NEAR hits to a field gun with 20mm or above destroys ack with no problem at all.

Thats why I called BS in that thread.