Author Topic: Army ordered to retain problem enlistees (Read 1100 times)

Toad · « **Reply #15 on:** June 03, 2005, 04:52:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Fear not, for we will be benevolent masters. Nay not masters, but strong and true caretakers of the great nation that was once called Amerilandia.

Phew! That's a relief!

Just don't try to make us speak French when your Quebecois masters order you to do so.

GREENTENERAL · « **Reply #16 on:** June 03, 2005, 04:59:05 PM »

I really don't understand why there is such a shortage, especially when the prisons are brimming. How much does it cost to house the average prisoner? What do they do all day?

Toad · « **Reply #17 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:00:09 PM »

What makes you think felons would make good soldiers? Their innate respect for authority?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:02:03 PM »

He has prolly seen the dirty dozen to many times.

his plan wont work, Lee Marvin is dead and who would train them?

GREENTENERAL · « **Reply #19 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:05:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
What makes you think felons would make good soldiers? Their innate respect for authority?

There have been many divisions in the past that were composed of criminals. I'm not shure, but I think that the ANZAKS were of that nature, and they proved to be damn fine soldiers. You don,t have to worry about them killing each other, as they depend upon one another for survival, and even if they do, so what.

Toad · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:07:35 PM »

Well, if there were many then you should have no trouble giving me a few examples in WW1 or WW2?

I'd like to read about those.

Hangtime · « **Reply #21 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:16:44 PM »

GREENTENERAL · « **Reply #22 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:17:15 PM »

I'm not shure about those wars, but many cultures in the past gave their violent offenders the option of death or enslavement into the military, especially back in the times low tech warfare, when they needed as many bodies as could be counted. Besides, it's all a matter of semantics. When a violent crime is committed there is also an act that proves talent for violent behavior.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:20:48 PM »

Wouldnt that be considered cruel and unusaul punishment? Hell if the libs have a problem with the death penalty, they would hatch baby cows over that.

RTR · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:24:49 PM »

Gays should be able to at least serve in the US navy.

Give them their own ships.

The USS Fabulous and the USS Felcher should be built and commissioned immediately.

RTR

GREENTENERAL · « **Reply #25 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:30:46 PM »

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Wouldnt that be considered cruel and unusaul punishment? Hell if the libs have a problem with the death penalty, they would hatch baby cows over that.

The people that cry about the treatment of prisoners are just people that have not experienced the divine pleasured of living around them or being one of their victims. I think their tune would change if those prisoners were to be relocated to their neighborhood, or better yet, let them live with them for awhile.

Toad · « **Reply #26 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:32:31 PM »

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Originally posted by GREENTENERAL
I'm not shure about those wars... times low tech warfare, ...talent for violent behavior.

Yeah, see I don't really think there are very many if any examples of divisions or brigades of felons making real effective combat units in times of modern, technical warfare.

Discipline, responsibility, unity, selflessness, willingness, intelligence.... these are not qualities exemplified by the vast majority of felons but they are required of modern soldiers.

The ability or propensity to perform violent acts really isn't a primary qualification of today's soldier.

Further, I have yet to see any military professionals, folks that deal directly with training today's modern high tech forces, propose that felons would make good starting material for them.

Still, if you can come up with even a single example, I'd be ready to educate myself.

Toad · « **Reply #27 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:33:33 PM »

Hang, given the statistics on AIDS, maybe the military figures it really doesn't need to introduce that degree of risk into the rather narrow confines of our military units?

capt. apathy · « **Reply #28 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:43:03 PM »

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Spartans, Romans, Cretians, Celts, and many others througout history have been of three stage sexuality. The Spartans would pair up in combat (as this would make them stay in the fight for the preservation of their partner), and when the war was over, they would get married, have children, and when that was done, they would seek out young men as sexual partners. The Romans were the same and so on. This lifestyle was considered normal for women at anytime. I'm sure that this did not apply to every individual, but for most of the history of warfare, homosexuality and bisexuality has been dominant.

so. now that enough time has past for us to make an honest and acurate assesment of that policy. how's it working out for those nations today?

GREENTENERAL · « **Reply #29 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:47:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, see I don't really think there are very many if any examples of divisions or brigades of felons making real effective combat units in times of modern, technical warfare.

Discipline, responsibility, unity, selflessness, willingness, intelligence.... these are not qualities exemplified by the vast majority of felons but they are required of modern soldiers.

The ability or propensity to perform violent acts really isn't a primary qualification of today's soldier.

Further, I have yet to see any military professionals, folks that deal directly with training today's modern high tech forces, propose that felons would make good starting material for them.

Still, if you can come up with even a single example, I'd be ready to educate myself.

I think you're right. I'm having a difficult time finding a modern example. I still think that there would be nothing wrong with arming them by separate container, and dropping them off in the middle of enemy territory, and if they find they way home, just drop them off a little further next time.