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« on: December 02, 2000, 01:36:00 PM »
You've seen the Gore-isms... In the spirit of a good chuckle, I bring you some Bush-isms:

"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question."— Reynoldsburg, Ohio, Oct. 4, 2000

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."—Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

"They misunderestimated me."—Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"It's going to require numerous IRA agents."—On Gore's tax plan, Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 10, 2000

"I will have a foreign-handed foreign policy."—Redwood, Calif., Sept. 27, 2000

"When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who they were," he said. "It was us vs. them, and it was clear who them was. Today, we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they're there."—Iowa Western Community College, Jan 21, 2000

"If I'm the president, we're going to have emergency-room care, we're going to have gag orders."

"Will the highways on the Internet become more few?"—Concord, N.H., Jan. 29, 2000

"It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet."—Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000  

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program."—St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."--Reuters, May 5, 2000

"More and more of our imports come from overseas."—Beaverton, Ore., Sep. 25, 2000

"States should have the right to enact reasonable laws and restrictions particularly to end the inhumane practice of ending a life that otherwise could live."—Cleveland, June 29, 2000

"I want you to know that farmers are not going to be secondary thoughts to a Bush administration. They will be in the forethought of our thinking."—Salinas, Calif., Aug. 10, 2000

"We don't believe in planners and deciders making the decisions on behalf of Americans."—Scranton, Pa., Sept. 6, 2000

"We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.''—Ibid.

"Anyway, after we go out and work our hearts out, after you go out and help us turn out the vote, after we've convinced the good Americans to vote, and while they're at it, pull that old George W. lever, if I'm the one, when I put my hand on the Bible, when I put my hand on the Bible, that day when they swear us in, when I put my hand on the Bible, I will swear to not—to uphold the laws of the land."—Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 27, 2000

"Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicines as we used to know it."

"It's your money. You paid for it."—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"That's a chapter, the last chapter of the 20th, 20th, the 21st century that most of us would rather forget. The last chapter of the 20th century. This is the first chapter of the 21st century. "—On the Lewinsky scandal, Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"It's one thing about insurance, that's a Washington term."

"I think we ought to raise the age at which juveniles can have a gun."

"Mr. Vice President, in all due respect, it is—I'm not sure 80 percent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 percent will get it if I'm the president."

"Our priorities is our faith."—Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 10, 2000

"I mean, there needs to be a wholesale effort against racial profiling, which is illiterate children."—Second presidential debate, Oct. 11, 2000

"One of the common denominators I have found is that expectations rise above that which is expected."—Los Angeles, Sept. 27, 2000

"I am a person who recognizes the fallacy of humans."—Oprah, Sept. 19, 2000

"The best way to relieve families from time is to let them keep some of their own money."—Westminster, Calif., Sept. 13, 2000

"They have miscalculated me as a leader."—Ibid.

"I don't think we need to be subliminable about the differences between our views on prescription drugs."—Orlando, Fla., Sept. 12, 2000

"This is what I'm good at. I like meeting people, my fellow citizens, I like interfacing with them."—Outside Pittsburgh, Sept. 8, 2000

"Listen, Al Gore is a very tough opponent. He is the incumbent. He
represents the incumbency. And a challenger is somebody who generally
comes from the pack and wins, if you're going to win. And that's where
I'm coming from."—Detroit, Sept. 7, 2000

"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness."--Ibid.

"I don't know whether I'm going to win or not. I think I am. I do know I'm ready for the job. And, if not, that's just the way it goes."—Des Moines, Iowa, Aug. 21, 2000

'This campaign not only hears the voices of the entrepreneurs and the farmers and the entrepreneurs, we hear the voices of those struggling to get ahead."—Ibid.

"I have a different vision of leadership. A leadership is someone who brings people together."—Bartlett, Tenn., Aug. 18, 2000

"And if he continues that, I'm going to tell the nation what I think about him as a human being and a person."—President George H.W. Bush, on the Today show, Aug. 1, 2000

"You might want to comment on that, Honorable."--To New Jersey's secretary of state.  -Washington Post, July 15, 2000

"Unfairly but truthfully, our party has been tagged as being against things."—Cleveland, July 1, 2000

"The only things that I can tell you is that every case I have reviewed I have been comfortable with the innocence or guilt of the person that I've looked at. I do not believe we've put a guilty ... I mean innocent person to death in the state of Texas." All Things Considered, NPR, June 16, 2000 (Thanks to Andy Nouraee.)

"I'm gonna talk about the ideal world, Chris. I've read—I understand reality. If you're asking me as the president, would I understand reality, I do."—On abortion, Hardball, MSNBC; May 31, 2000

"Actually, I—this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I like it. When I'm talking about—when I'm talking about myself, and when he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me."—Ibid.

"I think we agree, the past is over."—On his meeting with John McCain, Dallas Morning News, May 10, 2000

GOV. BUSH: Because the picture on the newspaper. It just seems so un-American to me, the picture of the guy storming the house with a scared little boy there. I talked to my little brother, Jeb—I haven't told this to many people. But he's the governor of—I shouldn't call him my little brother--my brother, Jeb, the great governor of Texas.
JIM LEHRER: Florida.
GOV. BUSH: Florida. The state of the Florida.—The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer, April 27, 2000

"Laura and I really don't realize how bright our children is sometimes until we get an objective analysis."—Meet the Press, April 15, 2000

"I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to California."—In Los Angeles as quoted by the Los Angeles Times, April 8, 2000

"Reading is the basics for all learning."—Announcing his "Reading First" initiative in Reston, Va., March 28, 2000

"We want our teachers to be trained so they can meet the obligations, their obligations as teachers. We want them to know how to teach the science of reading. In order to make sure there's not this kind of federal—federal cufflink."—At Fritsche Middle School, Milwaukee, March 30, 2000

"Other Republican candidates may retort to personal attacks and negative ads."—Fund-raising letter from George W. Bush, quoted in the Washington Post, March 24, 2000

"People make suggestions on what to say all the time. I'll give you an example; I don't read what's handed to me. People say, 'Here, here's your speech, or here's an idea for a speech.' They're changed. Trust me."—Interview with the New York Times, March 15, 2000

"It's evolutionary, going from governor to president, and this is a significant step, to be able to vote for yourself on the ballot, and I'll be able to do so next fall, I hope."—In an interview with the Associated Press, March 8, 2000

"It is not Reaganesque to support a tax plan that is Clinton in nature.''—Los Angeles, Feb. 23, 2000

"I understand small business growth. I was one."—New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000

"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have—he can't have it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."—To reporters in Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000

"I don't want to win? If that were the case why the heck am I on the bus 16 hours a day, shaking thousands of hands, giving hundreds of speeches, getting pillared in the press and cartoons and still staying on message to win?"—Newsweek, Feb. 28, 2000

"I thought how proud I am to be standing up beside my dad. Never did it occur to me that he would become the gist for cartoonists."—ibid.

"If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism and polls and principles, come and join this campaign."—Hilton Head, S.C., Feb. 16, 2000

"How do you know if you don't measure if you have a system that simply suckles kids through?"—Explaining the need for educational accountability in Beaufort, S.C., Feb. 16, 2000

"We ought to make the pie higher."—South Carolina Republican Debate, Feb. 15, 2000

"I do not agree with this notion that somehow if I go to try to attract votes and to lead people toward a better tomorrow somehow I get subscribed to some—some doctrine gets subscribed to me."—Meet The Press, Feb. 13, 2000

"I've changed my style somewhat, as you know. I'm less—I pontificate less, although it may be hard to tell it from this show. And I'm more interacting with people."—ibid

"I think we need not only to eliminate the tollbooth to the middle class, I think we should knock down the tollbooth."—Nashua, N.H., as quoted by Gail Collins in the New York Times, Feb. 1, 2000

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."—Pella, Iowa, as quoted by the San Antonio Express-News, Jan. 30, 2000

"This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation. It's what you do when you run for president. You gotta preserve."—Speaking during "Perseverance Month" at Fairgrounds Elementary School in Nashua, N.H. As quoted in the Los Angeles Times, Jan. 28, 2000

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."—Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

"The administration I'll bring is a group of men and women who are focused on what's best for America, honest men and women, decent men and women, women who will see service to our country as a great privilege and who will not stain the house."—Des Moines Register debate, Iowa, Jan. 15, 2000

"This is still a dangerous world.  It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mential losses."—At a South Carolina oyster roast, as quoted in the Financial Times, Jan. 14, 2000

"We must all hear the universal call to like your neighbor just like you like to be liked yourself."—ibid.

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"Gov. Bush will not stand for the subsidation of failure."—ibid.

"There needs to be debates, like we're going through. There needs to be town-hall meetings. There needs to be travel. This is a huge country."—Larry King Live, Dec. 16, 1999

"I read the newspaper."—In answer to a question about his reading habits, New Hampshire Republican Debate, Dec. 2, 1999

"I think it's important for those of us in a position of responsibility to be firm in sharing our experiences, to understand that the babies out of wedlock is a very difficult chore for mom and baby alike. ... I believe we ought to say there is a different alternative than the culture that is proposed by people like Miss Wolf in society. ... And, you know, hopefully, condoms will work, but it hasn't worked."—Meet the Press, Nov. 21, 1999

"The only thing I know about Slovakia is what I learned first-hand from your foreign minister, who came to Texas."—To a Slovak journalist as quoted by Knight Ridder News Service, June 22, 1999. Bush's meeting was with Janez Drnovsek, the prime minister of Slovenia.

"If the East Timorians decide to revolt, I'm sure I'll have a statement."—Quoted by Maureen Dowd in the New York Times, June 16, 1999

"Keep good relations with the Grecians."—Quoted in the Economist, June 12, 1999

"Kosovians can move back in."—CNN Inside Politics, April 9, 1999

"It was just inebriating what Midland was all about then."—From a 1994 interview, as quoted in First Son, by Bill Minutaglio

 

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2000, 02:55:00 PM »
hehe yeah SNL should have some fun with GW over the next 4 or 8 years.

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2000, 05:37:00 PM »
Funny post.  Our president-elect mis-speaks.
Kinda like the Gerald Ford of words

I don't see any lies though.  SNL will have fun and so will the media.  America will prosper in many ways  I get my tax cut and social security to invest.  The Congress will support our President,G W Bush

All will live happy,  America won't get gored to death

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2000, 11:13:00 PM »
Ha! You think after all the sh%@!t the Reps have heaped on the dems for the past eight years, that we're all gonna roll right over and cooperate?

My arse.

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2000, 11:18:00 PM »
Btw, GWB makes Dan Quayle look like a Rhodes Scholar!

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2000, 07:55:00 AM »
banana, so now you will seek retribution?

This is the "kinder, gentler" liberal approach?  

IMHO, "we, the people" need to rise above "them the politicians."

The people have things that need doing. If WE would work together we might actually get the pols to do something worthwhile.

Besides, if you catch a conservative in the White House boffing a woman less than half his age and then looking into the camera and lying about it (depending upon your definition of "is").....

You'll be right there yelling for his resignation because this time he's not a Democrat?....Of course, I will also be doing that AGAIN.  

...and that's the difference.      
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2000, 08:24:00 AM »
Don't wag that "Kinder, gentler" finger at me, Toad.

The Reps can't have it both ways. For them to spew venom and slander for eight solid years, then to turn around and say that it's time to come together and work in harmony, is at best a farce. In fact, it's the epitomy of hypocrisy.

The gloves are off. The only way the Reps are gonna get anything done for the next four years is by ramming it down our throats, something they've proven to be very good at.

The Reps control the government now, and if you think they're going to stay out of your life and let "states rights" rule, you're sadly mistaken.


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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2000, 09:12:00 AM »
awww, poor wittle losercrats
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2000, 10:13:00 AM »
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  • this isn't over yet.
  • Gore may still succeed in getting 15,000 more votes tossed.
  • Boies may still succeed in the FSC.
  • The Florida Legislature may continue down its foolhardy path of trying to guarantee a GWB win, resulting in an inevitable backlash.
  • Didn't you just chastize me for not being open-minded?[/list=a]

    Bear in mind it is highly unlikely at this point the FSC would allow the tossing of 15,000 votes on a technicality (especially in the light of it disallowing a deadline technicality from stopping the original hand count). Still, a Gore presidency is not out of the question. The anger you feel this week is precisely the anger I felt last week with the FSC one-sided opinion. The only solice I had was that the president is only a person, and any decision made would have to pass through Congress. Essentially the situation is same this week, but it is the other guy with the upper hand. The Republicans are hardly in control of the country- it is a 50-50 Senate. There will be very little meaningful legislation for the next two years, as deadlock will be the fashion.

    Let me ask you this question; how many Democrats are supporting Gore, and how many are posturing for the 2002 Congressional races? If we are to be truthful, most Democrats knew at the point of certification the race was, for all intents and purposes, over. Dragging us through all of this court battle isn't about fighting for the right to vote; if it had been, we would have demanded a state-wide recount from the beginning. This prolonged fight now is intended to discredit any outcome, and legitimize the Democratic call to arms for 2002. That the economy is now obviously adversely affected by this continued fight should have been the signal to knock this nonsense off, but Gore has not moved to do so yet.

    It's like this; if the Democrats can't have the office, they are going to "soil the nest" so badly that no one could successfully hold it. They then take back Congress in 2002 to "save us all".

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2000, 12:30:00 PM »
The really funny thing about this is that no matter who wins, almost exactly 50% of the US will get pissed off and start yelling about how unfair the whole process was  

Well, I guess it's not that funny. Still, it shows just how bad the candidates have been that the nation's completely divided over which they want least...

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2000, 07:54:00 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by banana:
In fact, it's the epitomy of hypocrisy.

Wank, would that be as hypocritical as, say, this?

"The 1995 agreement was secretly forged by Vice President Al Gore and then Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin.

The agreement maintained that the U.S would not punish Russia for its arms sales to Iran if Russia agreed to stop selling arms by Dec. 31, 1999

...many said they were furious with Gore for sidestepping the legislature, particularly since Gore wrote the 1992 law that said any country that sold arms to Iran would be sanctioned."

Come on banana. There IS no difference between Democrats and Republicans. None. They are ALL hypocritical bastiges. Accept it; I have. It brings inner peace.    (Image removed from quote.)

The gloves are off. The only way the Reps are gonna get anything done for the next four years...

Damn straight! To the barricades, men! Oppose all ideas, even if they are good! This isn't about common sense! This is about REVENGE! Let us destroy everything to make ourselves pay!

The Reps control the government now, and if you think they're going to stay out of your life and let "states rights" rule, you're sadly mistaken.

1. The Reps don't control anything yet. First the election brouhaha isn't over. Second, the Legislative Branch IS split almost exactly between Dems and Reps.

2. If I had to bet on who was going to stay out of my life and who would be more likely to allow "states rights" there is no doubt that the history of the last 30 years would show that the Republicans are far more likely to do that than the Democrats. Gotta go with the averages, I guess.   (Image removed from quote.)

I'm still just sitting, waiting and sipping beer waiting for the Supremes to end this thing one way or the other.

After it's over, I'll go back to writing my Congressional reps to pass on my views, supporting new candidates that I think somewhat share my views AND......

living my life.   (Image removed from quote.)

You know, all the dyed in the wool Reps told me Clinton was the end of the world; the Dems scoffed at that idea. Now, the Dems are telling me that Bush will be the end of the world and the Reps are scoffing at that idea.

Oh, gee...what a dilemma...who should I believe?   (Image removed from quote.)

Sure hope the old globe will keep orbiting the sun for another 4 years so I can find out who is gonna end it in the next round!

Breathe in....hold...hold...hold...br eathe out. There, don't you feel better?

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2000, 08:59:00 PM »
Well... Toad, there *is* a difference between the two parties. Fundamental (though ever shrinking) differences. It is the reason, for example, that you voted for Bush; the upcoming Supreme Court picks... and for that reason solely. And ideoligical differences... as in you pointing out, for example, State's rights.

Hell, Gore may even be knowingly commiting political suicide over this election for the Supreme Court issue alone. *You* recognize the importance of this, and you can bet Gore and the democrats do too. His political career is finished if he loses this fight (and even perhaps if he wins). I bet there are not just a few Democrat politicians quietly but forcefully urging him to stick it out, despite his better judgement at this point. For that reason, one might go as far as to call him a true patriot.     Probably an unlikely scenario - but yah, it's possible.

But I digress    

The ideology of the two parties is quite different (like I said though, currently on a collision course for the middle ground). It is the *methods* of these two parties that are the same. This is why I have to scoff at the seeming lack of real discussion of the issues on this board (with exceptions), in favour of broad characterizations of the "he's a liar!" ilk.

You are right in that regard. They are *all* lying hypocrites. One might ask if this is the sole fault of the politicians themselves, or if it is in fact a *requirement* in order to govern these days, and within this system. Another discussion entirely.

The democrat/republican retribution subject that has sprout up here is a very interesting subject as well (eg. "It's like this; if the Democrats can't have the office, they are going to "soil the nest" so badly that no one could successfully hold it. They then take back Congress in 2002 to "save us all" - Kieren). I'd like to take a crack at this one, definately...but I gotta get some flyin' time in right now... will comment later I hope.



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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2000, 07:24:00 AM »
Patriot is not a word I would ever use to describe Bore.

Unless you are talking about a Patriot for china.

Bore is a traitor plain and simple.
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2000, 08:17:00 AM »
By all means, crack at it.

Being of the ilk you have described, let me add to my thoughts.

Let's face an idealogical fact you may have ignored or missed; Al Gore and the Democratic automatons have stated over and over that they want only "a complete and fair count", which I submit is a patent lie. It is quickly pointed out that the DNC never asked for a full recount of the State at the outset, and the universal reply by the DNC is "the Republicans were stupid, they didn't ask for one"- now that sounds like someone being interested only in "an accurate and full count", right? The thought has also been forwarded the Democrats have smarter lawyers, and too bad for the Republicans. Again, sounds like a party trying to champion the Constitution, right? How do you personally feel about the exclusion of the military vote? Makes me feel great to be an American.   I also loved the parade of the blacks and elderly the Florida legislature endured during their committee meeting- funny the DNC didn't contact one person in uniform to speak for them, eh? Now Boies continues to misrepresent his Illinois case to (which by the way he used to convince Broward county to lower their standards on ballots, and in turn he is using Broward as the "Holy Grail" of counties in ballot interpretation- lie upon lie upon lie) forward his hand recount and standards for hand recount argument- never mind he completely lied about the results of the case to begin with. Presidency by litigation, spin it later.

The very thought that any candidate that would use this method to gain office- and I include the Republicans for the Florida legislature's premature attempt to seat GWB- is the antithesis of legitimacy. In the end, Gore will be no champion of your rights. Don't be standing in the road if his limousine is on its way to a fundraiser- you won't like the result.

You're entitled to twist this to your pleasure (and I'm sure you will). Please, refute how the Democratic rhetoric isn't designed to diminish a Bush presidency to illegitimacy and ultimately set up the 2002 elections.

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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2000, 10:13:00 AM »
Ok, so I may have been a teensy-weensy bit reactionary in my last post.  

Toad, I love ya man. We don't always agree, but I'd have a drink and debate with you anytime.  

Duma, go to the head of the class. I think you've nailed it pretty darn well.