Author Topic: I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully (Read 2539 times)

Kieren · « **Reply #30 on:** December 04, 2000, 08:53:00 PM »

Ammo-

I am not so clear on that point. Both sides of the Florida legislature have to cooperate, and I am not sure that is going to happen. There is also a window of opportunity that might be easy to miss.

Nash-

This has gotten too personal both ways. I will apologize that my political views offend you, but I cannot change my beliefs in that regard. I will not respond to you in any future political posts.

Nash · « **Reply #31 on:** December 04, 2000, 09:01:00 PM »

Hrmph... Your political beleifs do not offend me in the *slightest*! The fact that you hold your beleifs so strongly is commendable! It would be outrageous to ask that you change those beleifs. I am certainly not asking you to do that. That is up to you and nobody else.

It is only my opinion, and I apologize in advance, that you are unable to hear *anyone else's* personal beleifs without... well... taking it personally.

It makes it kinda hard to talk about things with you. That's all.

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Toad · « **Reply #32 on:** December 04, 2000, 09:11:00 PM »

ah....heck

I'll buy both of ya a beer if we meet at a con.

I think Kieren and I may share a lot of viewpoints that are unrelated to political party.

I can at least discuss topics with Nash without having to watch it degenerate into spit-flinging, name-calling irrational diatribes that may include threats of violence like I've seen from other peace-love-and-understanding libs.

Of course, you're still wrong, Nash!

Nash · « **Reply #33 on:** December 04, 2000, 09:32:00 PM »

Of course I am..... NOT

Yes, I've enjoyed my discussions with you Toad... thas fer sure.

The fact that we at least share these *differences*, in an odd way, gives us a lot in common. You buy the first round of beers, and I'll get the next. Kieren's gettin' the next three

Kieren · « **Reply #34 on:** December 04, 2000, 09:53:00 PM »

I accept my penance with a smile.

Nash · « **Reply #35 on:** December 04, 2000, 11:02:00 PM »

Ahhh cripes! Beers at the con for everyone!

But this is getting much too mushy for a BBS! This isn't what a BBS is for! The inventors...or I mean investors... of the BBS systems are watching this display and rolling over in their gra....er I mean millions!

Let the determined, hillarious, reasoned, left field, and head-shaking arguments fly forth in all their absolute glory!

Kieren, you said...

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The law was broken. It may be a technicality, but it is a fact. Yes, that means Gore is president.

By logical inference are you suggesting that Bush is going to become president because laws were broken?

Toad...

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For me, the basic, initial animosity stems from his draft dodging. I'll admit, I hated to see a guy like that get the Presidency.

Bush Jr. went AWOL from his National Guard unit during that war. Do you... erhm, I guess I'm not making much of a point here - ya have disdain fer *both* of them. It makes you a bit more of a dodgey target, but I'll nail ya down *one* of these times!

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Toad · « **Reply #36 on:** December 05, 2000, 05:29:00 AM »

Nash,

Ever been in the service?

Being AWOL is a serious charge. For Bush, in this case, it means he had written orders to report to whatever unit in Alabama and didn't show up (IIRC the point that web page was trying to make).

It's been a while since I read that page you've been clipping. What's the address? I'd like to see what they have for proof. I'd think if he really did go AWOL there'd be something substantial and verifiable in the public record. The military knew where to find him; there should be something in writing.

Now beyond the AWOL charge (and I'm not ready to really give that creedence without seeing more on it) Bush still served 22 months in the Texas Air Guard. I've mentioned before that the Guard committment from UPT is about 24 months. So it may be that he "did his duty".

Can't say that about Bill in any case.

Pass on your source(s) for the AWOL charge. I'd like to re-read that stuff.

Kieren · « **Reply #37 on:** December 05, 2000, 06:18:00 AM »

Sorry, dropping my head back under the radar on this. We all stay happier that way.

Mighty1 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 05, 2000, 07:16:00 AM »

Nash just because he was AWOL does not mean that it was intentional.

I was in the USAF and while I left for the weekend to come home we had an alert and I was considered AWOL since I was no where to be found. I didn't get in trouble when I came back because it wasn't my fault but technically I WAS AWOL.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #39 on:** December 05, 2000, 07:21:00 AM »

I was AWOL too. My logistics group screwed up and didn't inform me that normal travel plans were now different. I was supposed to just transfer from one gate to a military gate.. instead I went to billeting at a nearby base (same as I did on the first trip). As a result, it took me two extra weeks to get to the assignment.

AKDejaVu

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Nash · « **Reply #40 on:** December 05, 2000, 10:16:00 AM »

Toad - I got the story from the Boston Globe, but am unable to find it on their site now.

However, I did a search in Google.com for +Bush +AWOL

Alotta sites referencing this, so you should have no trouble finding info. One caveat, as always - choose your sources carefully! - and cross reference. Er, I know I don't need to tell *you* that Toad... I just wanted to say it in light of some of the junk posted...

Nash · « **Reply #41 on:** December 05, 2000, 06:02:00 PM »

Awww... Because I'm such a nice guy, I did the dirty work for you

"Vets want proof of Bush service" - The Birmingham, AL News 10/14/00: http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/Oct2000/14-e414023b.html

"Questions remain on Bush's service as Guard pilot." - The Boston Globe 10/31/00: http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/

(Atlanta Journal Constitution article available online from the Chicago Tribune: http://chicagotribune.com/news/printedition/article/0,2669,SAV-0011020310,FF.html )

Medal of Honor winner Sen. Bob Kerrey blasts Bush on Service - http://www.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Kerrey_blasts_Bush_on_service+ .shtml

Bush Let Guard Down - Washington Post, 11/3/00: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4291-2000Nov2.html

Sen. Max Cleland Questions Bush Service - The Tennessean, 11/3/00: http://www.tennessean.com/local/00613269.shtml

DUI and AWOL stories break on same day - The Sacramento Bee, 11/3/00: http://www.capitolalert.com/news/capalert01_20001103.html

Bush working to keep truth hidden - The Atlanta Journal Constitution, 11/3/00: http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/saturday/news_a3305 b396349414b001f.html

Bush pressured on military gaps - Boston Globe, 11/3/00: http://www.globe.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Bush_pressured_on_military_gaps .shtml

Bush military record berated - The Dallas Morning News, 11/3/00: http:// [url=http://www.dallasnews.com/campaign/092000/208224_attack_06pol.A.html]http://www.dallasnews.com/campaign/092000/208224_attack_06pol.A.html[/url]

Bush probably skipped the final 17 months of his National Guard commitment - The New Republic, 11/13/00: http://newrephtml.html

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