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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2005, 12:19:55 AM »
This argument:

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congress is pissing on the constitution.



And the minor is mentioned merely to remind you that your assumptions are just that and often erroneous.
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2005, 12:22:19 AM »
and the minor was noted as being just that and nothing more.
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2005, 12:22:32 AM »
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remove the Supreme Court's jurisdiction over "any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer or agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."


how can any law mean anything when it's written in a language that's as confusing as a medical book explaining neuro surgery.

Sorry maybe I've drank too much or its too late but I don't understand a word this says.

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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2005, 12:24:29 AM »
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Originally posted by Toad

[Toad, with a minor in US/World history]

 


Dude, yah mean yah get ta wear a helmet with a lil light on it!??

Awwwwsome!

(man, this has gotta be the dullest saturday night of my life!)
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2005, 12:25:51 AM »
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how can any law mean anything when it's written in a language that's as confusing as a medical book explaining neuro surgery.

Sorry maybe I've drank too much or its too late but I don't understand a word this says.


the devil's in the details.
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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2005, 12:25:57 AM »
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Sorry maybe I've drank too much or its too late but I don't understand a word this says.


sounds like yer night is a carbon copy of mine.
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2005, 12:26:55 AM »
Nope,

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read some history brother.

please.


Assures that I have read far more than "some" history. In fact, I feel confident I have read quite a lot of history. It would not suprise me to find I have read significantly more history than you have, for instance. For a long, long time it was a hobby of mine.

But, hey... you were trying for the kewl put-down and I understand. Better luck next time.
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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2005, 12:30:00 AM »
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sounds like yer night is a carbon copy of mine.


yup just drinking beer....letting tomorrows ribs marinate....and watching season one of 4400 with the wife unit.

pretty dull

OH and I ran 2.8 miles up hill this morning in terrible heat dehydrated (I drank last night too) at 6:45AM so My body feels like bellybutton warmed over.

yup....pretty dull.

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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2005, 12:31:57 AM »
oh.  even more psychology.

excellent.

ok.  you are right.  you have most certainly more reading of history under your belt.

i know this cuz you say so.

and of course, we all know that all that you have to do is read it and it is suddenly as clear as a bell.

give me a break there proffessor.

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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2005, 12:45:59 AM »
Hi Sandman,

Not that it matters, but the intention of the bill is ultimately to reign in the power of the courts and return the power to decide moral and religious issues to the people and the legislatures.

In other words, if the people of a state wanted their children to be able to say "under God" when they pledged allegiance in school and they wrote and passed legislation allowing that, this bill would prevent Federal Appeals Court Judges from making  that impossible. It would also potentially return the ability to actually decide on issues like assisted suicide, euthanasia, and abortion to the voters of individual states rather than vesting these decisions absolutely in an unelected judicial oligarchy.

The following is a more full explanation of the reasoning behind the bill from a source obviously more favorably disposed towards it:

What Congress Giveth, Congress Can Taketh Away
By Kay R. Daly
March 28, 2005


The biggest misconception about the federal judiciary is that it is an all-powerful entity unto itself that can only be reined in by placing strict constructionists or constitutionalists onto the bench and hoping for the best. The truth of the matter is that it is the United States Congress as designated by Article III of the U.S. Constitution that created the lower courts of the federal judiciary.

This seems to be lost not only on the American people, but several members of Congress.

The critical line in Article III, Section 1, states: "The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress MAY from time to time ordain and establish." The key word is "may." It does not say that Congress "must" or "shall" create these federal courts.

In other words, it is the Congress that may or may not create the lower courts of the federal judiciary. They pay for the buildings, confirm the judges, and pay their salaries. In addition, without a statute from Congress granting jurisdiction, the federal court quite simply has no jurisdiction whatsoever. Congress is in the driver's seat and can expand or limit the scope of their jurisdiction as they see fit. Specifically, in Section 2 of Article III, judicial powers are enumerated in detail.

At the heart of the battle over the Terri Schiavo case is the epic struggle between the legislative and the judicial branches of government. The biggest myth of all in this battle is that Congress overstepped its bounds by allowing federal jurisdiction in the Schiavo case. It was certainly an extraordinary step to take, but it only seems extraordinary because the myth of the untouchable judiciary has not been debunked.

As a matter of law, Congress could convene today and abolish the entire federal judiciary, with the exception of the Supreme Court. It could also create a federal court to hear nothing but Terri Schiavo cases within the bounds of federal legal jurisdiction as enumerated in Article III, Section 2. The Congress has already created specific federal courts on tax law, national security and even maritime issues, so it has been done before.

In the past couple of years, we have seen examples of judicial tyranny in landmark cases about the Pledge of Allegiance, the Ten Commandments, and gay marriage, to name but a few. Judicial activism and judicial tyranny has expanded exponentially only because "we the people" and our elected Congressional representatives have allowed it to happen.

Congressman Robert Aderholt (R-AL) and Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL) have introduced bills, S-520 in the Senate and HR 1070 in the House entitled the "Constitution Restoration Act of 2005" that would limit the power of the federal judiciary specifically in religious liberty cases. These bills were also introduced in 2004, but languished in committee and were reintroduced at the beginning of this current congressional session.

This is not a new idea. In fact, in the 1980s, Senator Jesse Helms and Congressman Henry Hyde introduced bills repeatedly that would limit the federal courts jurisdiction over the specific issue of abortion. And it is not only the "hot button" social issues that bring into focus the power of the federal judiciary. Capping damages in class action cases also limits the federal courts overly broad discretion.

The main point here is that what Congress giveth, Congress can also taketh away. And quite frankly, it should. The grassroots efforts to confirm federal judges who will apply the Constitution as it is written should also include a strong push to limit judicial tyranny by demanding that our elected representatives, sworn to uphold the Constitution, to become cosponsors and move these bills to final passage.

In fact to fulfill the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, our elected representatives have an absolute obligation to reign in our out-of-control activist judiciary. In the last fifty years, it has been activist judges who have single handedly done more damage to our Constitution than the liberal media, pop culture and leftist politicians combined.

Terri Schiavo's greatest final gift to us might just be the spotlight that she has put on our system of justice. With all the legal and moral arguments swirling around her tragic story, there is enough speculation and misinformation to feed the punditocracy and legal scholars for years to come.

For those of us in the grassroots, troubled by Terri Schiavo's impending demise and the courts' complicity in it, roll up your sleeves. The fight has only begun.

(Source: http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/kdaly/2005/krd_03281.shtml)

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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2005, 12:47:11 AM »
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and of course, we all know that all that you have to do is read it and it is suddenly as clear as a bell.

 


Hey, it was your suggestion for self-improvement. Now it's no good?

:)

Too bad you were just talking out yer anal vent.  Again. ;)

I apologize. In the future, I shall try to give your posts the consideration they truly deserve.

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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2005, 12:48:10 AM »
seagoon, i'd say that you were a "major"  

disagree with it, but appreciate the reading none the less.
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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2005, 12:51:12 AM »
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[Why, oh why, do I enter into these political discussions - I must be a loon]


Actually.. thanks for posting that.. I actually learned something.
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2005, 01:07:35 AM »
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Hey, it was your suggestion for self-improvement. Now it's no good?

:)

Too bad you were just talking out yer anal vent.  Again. ;)

I apologize. In the future, I shall try to give your posts the consideration they truly deserve.

(yawn)


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« Last Edit: June 04, 2005, 01:10:23 AM by JB88 »
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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2005, 01:10:06 AM »
Very detailed, organized, factual and cogent debate style you have there JB88.

:rofl
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!