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Offline JB88

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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2005, 01:11:44 AM »
effective.  granted.

the rest is flattery.  

gets you nowhere.






om.
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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2005, 01:15:27 AM »
Hey, if you ever post anything with substance, will you bold it for me?

Thanks.
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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2005, 01:20:13 AM »
sounds like i'd have to drive over to your house and hand deliver it to you with a big pretty bow.

sorry...no time for stragglers and people who wont work for it.

if you can't see it.  

you cant see it.

all there is to it.
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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2005, 01:29:43 AM »
In your case, it's not there and no one can see it.
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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2005, 01:40:11 AM »
speak for everyone do you now?

wow.
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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2005, 01:48:12 AM »
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congress is pissing on the constitution.



Nothing there but an unsupported opinion. You've made no effort to support it.

Somehow you apparently expect others to accept it as fact.

Doesn't work that way.

It's not there, no one can see it.

Check Seagoon's post. He quotes a supported opinion. You may not agree with it but surely you can tell the difference.

All you've got is tossing meaningless barbs. Get past that, your posts may someday be worth reading.
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2005, 01:55:04 AM »
Yeah, you're right. I'm known here for short "drive by" posts of opinion without supporting documentation. It's my modus operadi; ask anyone.
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2005, 01:55:37 AM »
uh huh.

but back to what i was saying.

so you speak for everyone right?
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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2005, 03:14:32 AM »
What that bill SOUNDS like is the Republican side of congress trying to limit the 35-odd year pattern of the Supreme Court slowly but surely making any mention or public display of religion illegal, and in a few other ways, trying to make us more like Europe--(remember Anthony Kennedy citing legal precedents in Europe for a recent ruling?..REALLY ticked some peeps off) Like it or not, this country WAS founded by a buncha religious types---not to say it's a theocracy, but I see no benefit of stamping out all mentions of religion from public life just to make the Bill Moyers, Bill Maher, and the ACLU happy. If we wanna make ourselves more like main-stream Europe, we can double our unemployment, triple our taxes, and halve our GNP
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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2005, 03:40:48 AM »
it is NOT making public display illegal sir, only government SANCTION of religion unconstitutional.  which it is.

as a nation devoted to freedom, we set ourselves apart by allowing individuals to set thier own philosophical and spiritual compass.  the government is composed of individuals as oppossed to being one in and of itself.

im pretty sure that i could put the ten commandments in my yard or on my car and noone would object.  

(or even a judge in his chambers)

but we are talking about a NATION of LAWS created around a principle of FREEDOM (and based as much on the enlightenment and the age of reason and greek democracy and roman republicanism as it ever was christianity...a hybrid in and of itself) to worship our own gods.  a judge or a commision or a publicly funded school cannot claim to hold that authority under our current constitution as it is not and individual.

congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion was written and signed by our early government as a means of ensuring that it is not swayed by the bias of specificity with regards to religious dogma and its effects upon reason and justice.

we are ALL free to worship OR chose not too.  

and, as it is ALL of our tax money and it is collectively OUR government.  (meaning shared, not the possession of an elite or otherwise dogmatic minority)

THUS.  in a free society if you want your kids to pray...send em to a religious school.  

take the time to teach them rather than trying to tell others how to.

make em pray over thier wheaties for goodness sakes.  that IS your business.

if you wish to be judged by god.  fine.  go to church and ask god to judge you.

on the stand?  as god to look over you.

i ask only to be judged by a fair human with a decent mind for reason while on this earth...the rest is my business.

if you really want to see it another way... call a constitutional convention and get it amended.  thats another great thing.  it can be changed.

until then, will the people in the fancy robes and the righteous indignation please quit hogging the stage and get busy reading the bible with your kids so we dont have to.  

please.

thank you.


peace.


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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2005, 07:46:18 AM »
the nerve of these people!!!! imagine that!!!! having us stick to a well thought out plan for government.  well we all know that the principals espoused in that arcane document will just never work.  fire the lot of them.

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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2005, 08:14:33 AM »
toad... it matters not that 88 can't back up his 'pissing on the constitution' remark.

What matters is that it is hip and now sounding while you are hidebound and stodgey sounding.  You suck with your asking him to prove what he is saying..  

I wouldn't blame him if he put you on ignore.   You are the one who probly made him start smoking again.

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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2005, 08:20:22 AM »
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toad... it matters not that 88 can't back up his 'pissing on the constitution' remark.

What matters is that it is hip and now sounding while you are hidebound and stodgey sounding.  You suck with your asking him to prove what he is saying..  

I wouldn't blame him if he put you on ignore.   You are the one who probly made him start smoking again.

lazs


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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2005, 08:57:29 AM »
Well, I see your point and I just signed up for an online course called "Hip and Now Sounding 101".  Figured I might as well make a semester of it and also signed on for "l33t keyboard skilz", "Debating Using Only Opinion" and, of course, "How To Be A Victim" to round it off.
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« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2005, 09:04:28 AM »
well... I may have been a little harsh...

You are much cooler in person.  

Still don't see how you will avoid 88's ignore list tho.

lazs