Author Topic: Lala's Ruined It For Me (Read 4237 times)

Schaden · « **Reply #105 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:28:08 PM »

2 pt perk on the lala and it would be a hanger queen......

dedalos · « **Reply #106 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:29:00 PM »

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Originally posted by FiLtH
Ya Tilt..those are all just pulled from my butt

But you get the idea. It needs some type of limiter like the rest of the planes have. Just 2 cannon may help. Something to make atleast one of those catagories alot lower.

Dedalos..the 38 that climbs 5k above before re-engaging have the handicap(like most other planes) if he does get low and slow, there are planes that can catch it on the deck. The La can nose down a bit and be going over 300 before you can say boo. Its just too much plane in my book. But my book will never get published..so wtf

Yes, it is a good plane. But as I said before, there will always be one plane thats the best. If we keep perking what people fear as the best plane, we will end up with just the C202 being unperked.

The fact that it is good, does not mean it just dive to the deck. Thats just whaaaaa whaaaa whaaaa. The plane that the profesional vulch and run guys use is the D9. They are also the ones that post a lot in the LA7 threads.

I think think you might have missed my point about the 38 comment.

FiLtH · « **Reply #107 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:42:17 PM »

Agreed, perking planes now wouldnt be good, as many have thousands of points to work from from back in AH1. The reason I think so many guys who use primarily fast planes like the D9 end up vulching is because 80% of the time most of the targets are low at one base or another. They spend 20 minutes looking for a high fight, and then decide to try for some low kills and end up getting whacked by the LA7. I dont know the answer for it..but I do understand their complaints. Yes many just want to vulch and in that case I have no pity, but alot of guys come down just for some action. Yes they could get a plane better suited for that...but then we have less of their preferred planes in the air..the same amount of LA7s, and now more spitvs.

Whats the bonus for killing an La7 now in say a D9? Maybe make an LA7 kill very high?

dedalos · « **Reply #108 on:** June 07, 2005, 01:55:59 PM »

Filth, I think we agree on most of the points. I will agree that some people will take a D9 and go look for a fight at high alt but not most. The D9 is not a pure fighter so I am guessing they are looking for what ever they blame the lala for (a fast cherry pick, vulch and run, or make a single pass at someone that does not know they are there).

A few months ago, I remember chasing a D9 for 2 sectors. Our base started flashing and hopping for an NOE, I took a LALA up to look for the goon. It turned out it was a high 190 that got as close as 5K and turned away. So, I chased him and two sectors latter while the lala was on fumes, he augered shooting at ord at another undefended base. I got the proxy and it was one of the guys crying about the lala in this thread. So, I put out on 200 the following: "Nice fight XX##". His responce was: "Who gives a chit. I got your ord". It was teh LA7 that forced him to a different field and to auger. He had no idea who the pilot was but he run to kill ord at an undiffended field that was not even his original target. Then he comes in here whining about the LA7 while he is doing what he acuses the LALA drivers of (run and not fight). Its people like him that made the original poster quit. Not an airplane.

Flyboy · « **Reply #109 on:** June 07, 2005, 02:12:16 PM »

heres a nice film to all lala haters

common lala flyers

Enjoy

Tilt · « **Reply #110 on:** June 07, 2005, 04:02:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Don
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It seems (according to official accounts) there were several versions of most of the Russian a/c produced, some were busts, and some were effective for their intended purposes. I recall that the La7 model in it's final version (the version modeled in AH) was equipped with their heaviest and most powerful engine, nearer the end of WW2. There were some bugs with the initial version of it so, the original model of the La7 was decidedly underpowered when compared to the latter. The final version of it was fast, especially at low and mid-alts, and it compared to many of the late war a/c of warring countries, but completely outperformed most late war German planes (except the 262). I also recall that the final version of the la7 was only in use during the last 4 to 5 months of the war.
The late war La7 was the Russian version (if you will) of the tempest, or sptXX, or the P-47M etc. The tempest is perked, and the la7 is not. [/B]

I'm sorry but this is all just incorrect.........

Infact the la7 had the same engine as the La5FN. The whole point of the development was based upon the fact that no more power could be squeezed out of the Ash 82 FN and its intended successor the M71 (2200 hp to the Ash82's 1800hp) was totally unreliable. Albeit with a bigger better prop the La7 was an exersice in aerodynamics and structural engineering to reduce weight increase strength and reduce drag.

Power was never a problem.......the whole development was to reduce drag in all its forms.

It was always intended to have 3 cannon but the B20 (in the La7)was unreliable and only released for use at one La7 plant early 45. Hence the representative armament is the 2 x shvak 20mm cannon. IMO the 3 x b20 could be rightly perked as the Chog is now.

Performance of the La7 did subtly improve over time as the VVS constantly tested and refined the manufacturing system. Its from those tests we have data .........not "kremlin records"

RedTop · « **Reply #111 on:** June 07, 2005, 04:58:18 PM »

Interesting read here....Some of you never even said so much as a Cya to OddCaf. Seemed alright guy to me...But anyway.....

My 2 cents......

LA7's are more of a pest than a threat in my opinion. Shane and a few in them as was mentioned above are a threat. Joe Newbie isn't at all. He is a pest. He knows no ACM and has learned Ho after Ho and run away. Now after a while he learns and then becomes a menace. He knows enuff to turn better and semi avoids taking the ho shot though not everytime. He can hang in there pretty well but still has the run away move down.

Not every LA7 runs. Some guys , like Shane and others can make this thing a killing machine. They have the nact to do that in everything though. As was also mentioned above.

I fly a plane that can't retreat from anything. Won't out run any plane really. It can turn better than alot. It has good qualities. I haven't lost very many fights 1 on 1 with an LA7. I have been Cherry picked or had to dodge em while engaged so many times it's to numerous to count. But , when I see them in a 1vs1 it's nothing more than dodge a couple passes then they'll run away. MOST times...Not all. But I can say the same for about every plane I see or fly against. Thats the part of flying what I choose to fly that I have to accept.

LA7's are extremely good aircraft in the right hands. They are extremely annoying in others.

I don't like em , fly em , or anything. They are just another Red thing to shoot at. I won't someone who after running around the outskirts of a furball comes whizzing by at 500 mph's and gets a 1 hit wonder shot on me while I been yanking and banking with Hurris , Spits , Nik's and A6M's. All the while dodging the Typhie and 190 , and 51B , P47's and the 109G10's that are keeping thier alt like they should.

No problem with anyone who flies them neither. It IS what they choose to fly. I have been kiled by LA7's , but not manytimes in an even remotley 1 v 1 fight.

OffCaf has a valid point. You guys that seem to think he is just whinning , well that is your opinion. I respect that....But , at least give the guy a and hope you change your mind , instead of just beating at him with those 3 cannons.

LA7's are nothing more than what people make them out to be. If you learn to just accept the fact that most will Ho and Run , a few fight , and even fewer really be GREAT then youll just keep being mad about nothing.

As I said...just my 2 cents.

BTW · « **Reply #112 on:** June 08, 2005, 12:08:27 PM »

I got a film of blowing off half the wing of a la7, and have to go back and blow up the plane to get the kill.

They're like a roach that doesn't die. They fly back to base at 370 miles per hour with oil flying all over the place. Seems that would eventually cause engine problems.

If you think of it as an arcade game, it don't make you quite as angry.

6GunUSMC · « **Reply #113 on:** June 08, 2005, 01:45:07 PM »

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Originally posted by BTW

If you think of it as an arcade game, it don't make you quite as angry.

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! Give that man a prize! Couldn't have summed it up better myself!

dedalos · « **Reply #114 on:** June 08, 2005, 02:02:45 PM »

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Originally posted by BTW
I got a film of blowing off half the wing of a la7, and have to go back and blow up the plane to get the kill.

They're like a roach that doesn't die. They fly back to base at 370 miles per hour with oil flying all over the place. Seems that would eventually cause engine problems.

If you think of it as an arcade game, it don't make you quite as angry.

So, if you cliped the wing of a Spit or 51, what do you think happens? There are probably more planes that can do that but I know I can do it in a Spit or 51. KI84 needs flaps down. How about the A6M that can fight you for about a minute after it becomes a torch? How about the fact that you can ditch on trees? What about the lazer guided manned 5" guns? Buff guns that can shread you from 1.5K out? Diving heavy bombers that some of the people crying in here are also practising? Those and a lot more futures of the game don't make you see it as an arcade? The fact that 'you' can't win against an LA7 does? Cause lets face it, if you could kill it, you would not be crying about it.

pellik · « **Reply #115 on:** June 08, 2005, 02:05:33 PM »

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Originally posted by dedalos
So, if you cliped the wing of a Spit or 51, what do you think happens? There are probably more planes that can do that but I know I can do it in a Spit or 51. KI84 needs flaps down. How about the A6M that can fight you for about a minute after it becomes a torch? How about the fact that you can ditch on trees? What about the lazer guided manned 5" guns? Buff guns that can shread you from 1.5K out? Diving heavy bombers that some of the people crying in here are also practising? Those and a lot more futures of the game don't make you see it as an arcade? The fact that 'you' can't win against an LA7 does? Cause lets face it, if you could kill it, you would not be crying about it.

Lazer is a good guy and I don't recall ever seeing him guiding 5".

dedalos · « **Reply #116 on:** June 08, 2005, 02:15:29 PM »

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Originally posted by pellik
Lazer is a good guy and I don't recall ever seeing him guiding 5".

BTW · « **Reply #117 on:** June 08, 2005, 02:46:21 PM »

I like fighting la7's and think I'm ahead in the matchup spit vs la7 (not sure). I just hate *chasing* them. You're right, about the bombers full of sharp shooting snipers. I mostly ignore them, like the bouncy orange looking thing in Doom

I just found a lot of my frustration came from this thought "How in the world could he do that???" When you don't think of it as modeled reality, you don't ask that question. Its an internet game, anything can happen - it doesn't have to be realistic.

I just find it more fun on those terms, even the nuclear roach la7

Last camp I was 8-4 against La7's
This camp I'm behind 1-3

Karnak · « **Reply #118 on:** June 08, 2005, 03:33:22 PM »

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So, if you cliped the wing of a Spit or 51, what do you think happens?.

I don't know about the P-51, but the Spitfire spins out of control and into the ground.

Mosquito can be held level as long as you keep the speed above 250-270mph.

In my experience the La-7 is the toughest single engined fighter in AH. I don't know why, but it usually seems to take more than even the F6F-5 or F4F-4.

dedalos · « **Reply #119 on:** June 08, 2005, 04:18:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
I don't know about the P-51, but the Spitfire spins out of control and into the ground.

Mosquito can be held level as long as you keep the speed above 250-270mph.

In my experience the La-7 is the toughest single engined fighter in AH. I don't know why, but it usually seems to take more than even the F6F-5 or F4F-4.

I mean lose a wing tip. I don't think the LA lost a whole wing and it was still flying. Spiti with a missing wing tip will fly home as if nothing happened. I think I have taken a guy out after he thought I should be going down and flew in front of me. I was able to manouver to put the guns on him.

The LA is tough. No one said it was not. Take it out of the picture and then another plane will be the toughest. Should we take taht one out too? and the next? and the next?

Saying that the LA is too good is fine. Quiting a game or asking for the LA to be perked is silly. It really boils down to: I don;t like that plane cause it is better than mine and therefore, it should be limited.