Lala's Ruined It For Me

[6GunUSMC]

Originally posted by JB73
oh so i'm chopped liver?

 fine

yeah what he said!

[Tilt]

Originally posted by FiLtH

LA7:
climb=4
speed=5
leth=5
manuver=4
durability=5
accel=5
 

I take your general point Filth however I would not give the La7 a 5 for either Lethality or durability.

Although it could earn a 5 for low alt climb.

It is not as durable as the F4U or many others and 3 x B20 do only just make  2 x hispanos . (forgetting the 303's)

And I agree the La7 arena std should be the 2 x Shvak version.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Vad
ok, finally.

Just tried Spits, V and IX. Yes, I understand your frustration now.

Only planes which DIDN'T run away from my Spits were La-7. All others - Yak, F4U, Dora, and P38 - tried to run because they didn't have 5 K alt advantage.


You have very strange logic. If we take as fact that only what La-7  can do is running what is the difference how many cannons it has or how good is their turn or climb performance? If they only run away you would never see their cannons!

The problem is not that they run. The problem is that they DON'T run. And you can't run away from them. La-7's ruin your childish games in "real life". "I have to accomplish my mission, I have to bring ordinance to the enemy field, my squad commander ordered me to take that field so I am going to imagine myself as a WW2 hero!". You don't want to fight - it is "quake game" for you! No,  you want to "win the war", to "accomplish my childish mission", to "protect bombers..." - anything but not fight!

Actually, it is ok, I will kill you in La-7 anyway. BUT WHY DO YOU BLAME LA-7 FOR BEING RUNNING AWAY? I don't understand to whom do you lie? To me? - I am flying on the same arena as you do, and I am old enough to see obvious things.

You lie to yourself.

VAD, stop it man.  You are making toooooo much sence.  Thats exactly the problem with the LA7.  It fights and kills the uber vulchers in their D9s.  They want it removed so they can get their WTFGs after landing their 10 kills.  
Example, I got over a base at 7K last night.  It was already capped but all you could hear on VOX was the comments about the LA7s at 200ft of the deck.  Never mind we had atlist 5K on them and people were vulching the bejesus out of them.  They were a treat to the vulchers.  Now, if we perk them, people will only up SpitVs to deffend and after we get a few runway kills we can safelly return home since the Spit will never catch a 190.

The crying about the LA7 is always the same.  Its fast.  People say that it runs, but what they really mean is that they can't run from it.  And to be honest, where are all those lalas anyway?  I don;t recall seeing that many of them.  Maybe they run away?

[Shuckins]

Don't have anything in particular against the Lag...but I can identify with Odd's complaint.  

If I'm interpreting it correctly, he's actually referring to how ubiquitous it seems to be...and the prominent position it plays in the horde mentality.

Someone like Shane can make the Lag sing.  When he makes it dance it's a thing of beauty.  He's whacked me with it on numerous occasions.  No big deal, really, because he'd do the same no matter what he's flying .

But great pilots flying the Lag isn't the problem.  Nor are they the problem in any other plane.  Getting jumped by a single Lag as you try to exit a fight and land your kills isn't the problem.  

The problem is the four or five buddies tagging along who will not respect a one-one-one fight.  Two moves is all the average pilot gets and then BANG, you're dead.  The dweebishness of it is sickening.

Being a Southern Gentleman, I never engage in such activities myself.

Just yesterday, I flew off a carrier in a small attack against an enemy base.   At first, the opposition was light.  Shortly, however, about 20 enemy pilots upped from the base.  Looked like four out of five of the enemy were flying Lags.  A massive furball developed, which delighted some.  Lags are one of the supreme furballing aircraft in the planeset, great for rushing in on an enemy aircraft that is already engaged.

While there are times that I can't resist a furball, for the most part, I avoid them like the plague.  I'm not that good at that type of fight.  Real-life pilots avoided entering a low-level furball because it wasn't conducive to a long life.  In AH, the ability to re-up constantly in a very fast and maneuverable low-level aircraft allows the dweeb pilot and his buddies to overwhelm an enemy.

So, that appears to be the essence of Odd's complaint.  It isn't the Lag itself that is the problem, it's the way it's being used.

[eskimo2]

Just for you Odd,





eskimo

[dedalos]

LOL eskimo.  How did you get the picks of Shane's plane?

[Karnak]

So all those La-7s that I engaged in my Ki-84 that dove for the deck and ran like sissies after one or two manuvers, and never stopped running are a figment of my imagination?  Riiiight.

All fast fighters do it because they attract the players who will do it.  The fast fighters are merely enablers.

[Don]

>>You just need to improve your ACM against them.<<

Hmmm, for a guy who knows the proper use of acm, I don't think the good Faddah was talking about acm where the lala is concerned

[Don]

>>LA-7 and all Commie planes are way overmodeled here (Source MUST be "Official" Kremlin Documentation), <<

I read a booklet several years ago, and posted some stats up in here about certain a/c in AH; the Lala was one of em. It seems (according to official accounts) there were several versions of most of the Russian a/c produced, some were busts, and some were effective for their intended purposes. I recall that the La7 model in it's final version (the version modeled in AH) was equipped with their heaviest and most powerful engine, nearer the end of WW2. There were some bugs with the initial version of it so, the original model of the La7 was decidedly underpowered when compared to the latter. The final version of it was fast, especially at low and mid-alts, and it compared to many of the late war a/c of warring countries, but completely outperformed most late war German planes (except the 262). I also recall that the final version of the la7 was only in use during the last 4 to 5 months of the war.
The late war La7 was the Russian version (if you will) of the tempest, or sptXX, or the P-47M etc. The tempest is perked, and the la7 is not. I don't know what the factors are that go into determining which planes get perked and which don't but, it seems there might be a slight discrepancy in the system.
It's so pat to write off a persons' complaints as whines; ones simply doesn't have to consider validity but, when so many complain over so long a period, perhaps there just might be something to it.

[straffo]

To stop the La7 whinage I see only one solution : introduce the La9 in game

[Don]

>>please provide some data that proves all of Pyro's research to be wrong.<<

sigh, I will go back to my local library and locate the book I referred to below, and re-post the data, info, and overall "informed" information about the la7. I am under no illusion that will have any effect on your love for the lala but, it should provide you with some info that is accurate. Maybe even cause you to consider "not" referring to a person's complaint or point of view, as a whine  

[Lye-El]

I was in the training arena sorting out a nose bounce problem in a Spit V. I got bounced by a LA-7. He was all over me. He would extend, climb and return. I was purely defensive. I hardly got a shot off.

I upped a Spit 14 and then I had parity with him. Didn't dominate by any means.

I don't know if this guy was and old hand or a noob. I suspect noob as I got no request or warning on the first firing pass.

I guess I never realized how out classed the spit was against the LA7 if the guy doesn't try to turn it.

Granted, I am a not a great pilot but I didn't think I was totally inept. But I sure felt that way against this LA-7.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Don
>>please provide some data that proves all of Pyro's research to be wrong.<<

sigh, I will go back to my local library and locate the book I referred to below, and re-post the data, info, and overall "informed" information about the la7. I am under no illusion that will have any effect on your love for the lala but, it should provide you with some info that is accurate. Maybe even cause you to consider "not" referring to a person's complaint or point of view, as a whine  

sigh ... LOL ... such drama Don.

So, in essence, your saying that Pyro just pulled the variables that he uses on the La-7 right out of the air or dreamed them up. He keeps modeling the La-7 like it is so he can read this BBS and jump with glee at the 3 or 4 La-La whine threads are started per week. He REALLY wants to make people miserable ... thats his goal in life and this business.

Your booklet might have stats, but I will bet the ranch that Pyro also has plenty of reference material and stats on the La-7 and what he is modeling follows the data that he has.

My love for the La-7 ... LOL ... it's more along the lines that ... I do not fear the La-La, I kill it with extreme prejudice, and I do not come on here once a month and piss and moan at how uber it is. It's just another target as far as I am concerned.

The only problem that I see with the La-La is that most who do fly it don't have the sack to really fight in it. One pass ... HO ... miss ... on to the next HO.

I have to agree with Dedalos ... it does seem that those who do whine the loudest about the La-La really don't like it cause it hunts them down like a cheetah on its prey while they are trying to flee the scene.

I don't fly the La-La much anymore, but when I do, that is my goal ... run 'em down and then see what kind of fight they put up when FORCED to fight. Sadly tho, most take the 20mms from a dead 6 cause they have no clue what to do.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Karnak
So all those La-7s that I engaged in my Ki-84 that dove for the deck and ran like sissies after one or two manuvers, and never stopped running are a figment of my imagination?  Riiiight.

All fast fighters do it because they attract the players who will do it.  The fast fighters are merely enablers.

Nop, not your imagination.  I never said I did not see any.  What you forgot to mention is how many 190s, 51s, TYFFIs, F4Us, and even P47s, dove to the deck after their first pass.  Or is a P38 that goes into a clime untill he gets 5K above you before re engaging any different?  However, people only open up threads about the LA7.  Its the pilots not the planes that caus ethe behavior.  No mater what we do, there is allways going to be a plane thats faster than the rest.  As far as the LA7s manuverability, well, like most planes in the MA, it is more manuverable than a 190.  Who ever does not like that should take up a fighter and not an interceptor.

[FiLtH]

Ya Tilt..those are all just pulled from my butt

  But you get the idea. It needs some type of limiter like the rest of the planes have. Just 2 cannon may help. Something to make atleast one of those catagories alot lower.

Dedalos..the 38 that climbs 5k above before re-engaging have the handicap(like most other planes) if he does get low and slow, there are planes that can catch it on the deck. The La can nose down a bit and be going over 300 before you can say boo.  Its just too much plane in my book. But my book will never get published..so wtf