Author Topic: CT's OPEN: Setup - Time of Aces (Read 2327 times)

Slash27 · « **Reply #45 on:** June 06, 2005, 06:54:47 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
Not at all, I'm simply trying to answer his question. The real issue is what the CT is supposed to be. As I've stated before IMO it went south once thew checkertails arrived (not throwing rocks but calling it how I see it). They were the 1st I recall to actually run "squad op's" in the CT. Basically it started the "down hill tumble". I actually wrote multiple threads warning this would happen back then. Truthfully there is no place in the CT for "capture" anymore than there is in the SEA TOD events.

Actually VF-27,VF-17, 880,27th Senati, and a few others ran squad ops before the Checkertails. We ran fighter sweeps, escorted bomber missions, and even the occasional base capture. Things were better then. We had heated exchanges on the BBS and some bad blood here and there, but it was still a fun arena and you could count on 30-40 guys on a night and tues and thurs nights it would be double. Squads werent bringing the place down. A few squads came along and their primary goal was landgrabbing, and porking. The 325th wasnt one of them.

Ok, so there's no reason to defend bases. The times when CT had the most players in it was when base capture was on. Finrus comes to mind. Don't like people milking? Get in there and stop them.

Suave, I think Grits, Humble, and Eagler are answering your question rather well on why base capture is off. Like Grits said, if landgrab is a part of the set up, the yes, have it on. If not, milkers will purposely pork the arena for rank and to sabotage the place.Then they post that the CTs porked on the BBS so it can be rest and they can repeat. I understand your idea of attacking a base and forcing a fight by making guys defend. Thats fine if someones there to defend. We are not here to babysit and cater to milkers.

TheBug · « **Reply #46 on:** June 06, 2005, 07:07:00 PM »

Not solely catering to the historical-based squads that populated the CT was the reason for it's current downswing.

Every other issue whether it was bad attitude, bad setups, bad blood or player exodus was caused by this principle root.

This is of course my opinion, and I am certain many will disagree. Some tracking the downswing to the arrival of historical-based squads. But I believe their arrival sparked a new revival in the CT and without them you will never get the CT off it's feet in the current format.

Suave · « **Reply #47 on:** June 06, 2005, 07:12:05 PM »

Get over yourself. Eagler's bought my lunch enough times in the CT to know what I'm about. People in the MA are clueless dolts because they don't play the way you like? But you're not labeling in anyway, no. How did other players "style" prevent you, eagler and the other "knights of the sky" from fighting eachoter?

The CT was supposed to be the ma with axis vs allies planeset. Not the DA with limited planeset, where people can go and reassure eachother that they're superior to those "dolts" in the MA. But there's no reason it can't be both.

68KO · « **Reply #48 on:** June 06, 2005, 07:16:02 PM »

My vision of the Ct is to make it like the main but with plane sets and historical terrians with base capture. I like the plane set in the CT more real life to the Air War.

Suave · « **Reply #49 on:** June 06, 2005, 07:17:04 PM »

My thoughts pretty much exactly 68ko.

humble · « **Reply #50 on:** June 06, 2005, 07:28:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Suave
Get over yourself. Eagler's bought my lunch enough times in the CT to know what I'm about. People in the MA are clueless dolts because they don't play the way you like? But you're not labeling in anyway, no. How did other players "style" prevent you, eagler and the other "knights of the sky" from fighting eachoter?

The CT was supposed to be the ma with axis vs allies planeset. Not the DA with limited planeset, where people can go and reassure eachother that they're superior to those "dolts" in the MA. But there's no reason it can't be both.

Sigh.....

I typed out a whole response but just deleted it....simply not worth the bandwidth.

Eagler · « **Reply #51 on:** June 06, 2005, 07:33:27 PM »

like Grits stated, this map and a few others are ruined with base capture - it spreads the bases to far apart given the low numbers when someone starts capturing them

unlike MA, there is no reward for capturing bases and it usually results in the arena getting hosed.

base capture is not dead, just made almost impossible n this particular map as to prevent it from happening and messing up the fragile base setup
check back, Friday/next week, I am sure it'll be back by then

Shifty · « **Reply #52 on:** June 07, 2005, 12:05:02 AM »

Slash27, and TheBug both hit the nail on the head as I see it. I didnt come into until after the pre-squad CT. The CT Humble discribes was before my time. When I came to AH CT was deserted. Myself, and Jester had just come over from Warbirds, and started VF-27 hoping to get some action in the CT.

I'm not saying our squad brought numbers, but the timing was fortunate. The Assassins were frequenting the CT about the same time. Other squads started joining in and it was active for a while.
Squad ops, and missions strike ,sweep, or any other are a good idea in my book. However having base capture turned off is needed on some setups because of the porking. 1v1 fights are fine , but people are here to fight. I try to stay out of a 1v1 fight, but if theres a friendly fighting more than one whats the purpose of not helping? There are guys like Eskimo, Shane, Eagler, and others that can handle a fight like that. Most people can't and appreciate the help.

Humble what your discribing sounds like the DA. The MOTD has never said "Stay out of a fight unless invited". Just because your engaged doesnt mean you own the arena . People are usually going to help a friendly in trouble. Expecting a one on one every sortie is like expecting the guy coming at you not to take the HO. This arena appeals to people for different reason. Some it's the smaller numbers , some historical matchups, some limited icons, whatever the reason. Expecting everyone to fly the way you want them to in this arena is arrogant.

Theres room for squads , missions, 1v1s , whatever you want in here. Your just not going to get it every sortie, and maybe not every week. Expectations, and constant complaints when they were not met has done a lot of damage to the CT.

We got planes we got bases, we got boats, tanks, and even bombers sometimes. If you dont like what the enemy is doing kill him. Go alone , bring your firends , it doesnt matter. Fly, and fight . You'll get the fight your looking for sooner or later.

wonton · « **Reply #53 on:** June 07, 2005, 12:08:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Shifty
Slash27, and TheBug both hit the nail on the head as I see it. I didnt come into until after the pre-squad CT. The CT Humble discribes was before my time. When I came to AH CT was deserted. Myself, and Jester had just come over from Warbirds, and started VF-27 hoping to get some action in the CT.

I'm not saying our squad brought numbers, but the timing was fortunate. The Assassins were frequenting the CT about the same time. Other squads started joining in and it was active for a while.
Squad ops, and missions strike ,sweep, or any other are a good idea in my book. However having base capture turned off is needed on some setups because of the porking. 1v1 fights are fine , but people are here to fight. I try to stay out of a 1v1 fight, but if theres a friendly fighting more than one whats the purpose of not helping? There are guys like Eskimo, Shane, Eagler, and others that can handle a fight like that. Most people can't and appreciate the help.

Humble what your discribing sounds like the DA. The MOTD has never said "Stay out of a fight unless invited". Just because your engaged doesnt mean you own the arena . People are usually going to help a friendly in trouble. Expecting a one on one every sortie is like expecting the guy coming at you not to take the HO. This arena appeals to people for different reason. Some it's the smaller numbers , some historical matchups, some limited icons, whatever the reason. Expecting everyone to fly the way you want them to in this arena is arrogant.

Theres room for squads , missions, 1v1s , whatever you want in here. Your just not going to get it every sortie, and maybe not every week. Expectations, and constant complaints when they were not met has done a lot of damage to the CT.

We got planes we got bases, we got boats, tanks, and even bombers sometimes. If you dont like what the enemy is doing kill him. Go alone , bring your firends , it doesnt matter. Fly, and fight . You'll get the fight your looking for sooner or later.

Ditto

Suave · « **Reply #54 on:** June 07, 2005, 02:40:00 AM »

No hard feelings Humble.

SuperDud · « **Reply #55 on:** June 07, 2005, 03:17:51 AM »

Hey guys, dropped into the CT tonight. Had lotsa fun, great setup

Eagler · « **Reply #56 on:** June 07, 2005, 05:52:51 AM »

can someone verify the posted wind settings?

it seemed like a stronger wind than 10mph and from the nw not the east as described on clipboard

it is so strong that it pushes a p38 sideways on takeoff
ty

68KO · « **Reply #57 on:** June 07, 2005, 07:23:59 AM »

Ok so if there is not enough people for base capture then just fight and do not worry about the base capture. I do not think it will hurt. I think the Arena should have base capture for it is not a DA arena . All my setups will have base capture of 15 troops but no one ever does it so it is there but not a factor.

Shifty · « **Reply #58 on:** June 07, 2005, 07:29:35 AM »

Whens your next setup 68KO?

Krusty · « **Reply #59 on:** June 07, 2005, 11:15:51 AM »

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Originally posted by 68KO
All my setups will have base capture of 15 troops but no one ever does it so it is there but not a factor.

That's because milkrunners usually do it by themselves, and give up after first goonies doesn't do the trick.

All it takes is literally 1 wingman to fly with you (more if you'd like cover!) and that small amount of team effort enhances the experience and makes it more realistic, if you ask me. I like requiring 15 troops. Good idea!