Author Topic: How come no discussion of the Downing Street Memo here?  (Read 1764 times)

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« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2005, 11:43:46 PM »
Don't know but that seems the obvious, quickest and simplest solution.

At the same time, using separate "police investigation" type interrogations, I would ask all the memos addressees David Manning, Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell if they had any direct explanation or expansion on this comment from Rycroft.

Just to see if all the stories match up.

Really though, unless this is done all the discussion in the world about it is pretty meaningless. I'm sure it was clear to Rycroft when he wrote it. Why not ask him? He probably kept notes and/or drafts of it. Those might shed a bit of light as well.
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« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2005, 11:44:57 PM »
Because if it was "fixed" in the mob/gambling/Vegas sense AND Rycroft has the proof, I'd strongly support beginning impeachment proceedings.
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« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2005, 11:47:30 PM »
As long as the meaning of the memo is still unclear, don't rule it out. :)

Actually, do rule it out, because it is unclear.

Someone get Matt on the horn!!

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« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2005, 11:55:11 PM »
Actually, something occured to me. Maybe it's a language barrier. Maybe "were being fixed around the policy" is something the Brits understand. Maybe its meaning is obvious to them due to common usage in similar instances? In that it's a sort of slang? Have any of them weighed in here?

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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2005, 11:55:47 PM »
Time for a Clinton-style investigation.

Bring forth the witchhunt!
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« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2005, 11:58:10 PM »
Skydancer posted something but as the Brits would say I no longer can be arsed to read his.... stuff.

Sand, I don't think the Brits DO US impeachments.
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« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2005, 11:59:05 PM »
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Sand, I don't think the Brits DO US impeachments.


Ya think?
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« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2005, 12:02:03 AM »
One can certainly understand your frustration, Sandman. But the Iraq war in no way rises to the outrageous level of a couple hundred grand real estate deal. Please - lets maintain some perspective.

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« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2005, 12:07:38 AM »
The impeachment proceedings were about lying under oath. Which he clearly did do.

Let's maintain THAT perspective since it's the correct one.
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« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2005, 12:09:12 AM »
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Ya think?


Ya, I think you won't see the Brits break into a even a damp perspire over this, let alone a sweat. But I appreciate your attempt to change the direction of this thread to something more to your liking.

Anyway since it's not "news" in any sense, there'll be nothing here either.

Unless maybe Rycroft has unassailable evidence that "the fix was in".
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« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2005, 12:11:20 AM »
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The impeachment proceedings were about lying under oath. Which he clearly did do.

Let's maintain THAT perspective since it's the correct one.


Hmmm... Now I'm completely unclear on the definition of "acquitted".
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« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2005, 12:14:35 AM »
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The impeachment proceedings were about lying under oath. Which he clearly did do.

Let's maintain THAT perspective since it's the correct one.


Sure, lets do that.

Lets forget that there was a witch hunt predicated on a measly and proved to be totally legitimate real estate deal, then bust him for obfuscating on the definition of sexual relations.

Now take that and compare it with the obfuscation of the reasons for necessitating dead men.

One of these things does not look like the other.

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« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2005, 12:15:33 AM »
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Federal Judge Susan Weber Wright found Clinton in contempt of court for having lied under oath in Paula Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit against the president.


Beyond that, would you yourself say the famous

"I did not have sex with that woman" was a lie under oath?

Or would you quibble and say oral sex was not having sexual relations?
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« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2005, 12:18:39 AM »
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Or would you quibble and say oral sex was not having sexual relations?


Can't we leave the quibbling to the lawyers? I think that's what they do. :)
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« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2005, 12:19:07 AM »
It's goofy.

I have no further comment.