Author Topic: The Frustrating Situation in Afghanistan (Read 1108 times)

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #30 on:** June 08, 2005, 02:53:55 PM »

There is an interesting dicotomy in you response to my legitamacy question...

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Originally posted by Boroda
As history showed - it could be much better if a bloody, prehistoric and mass-murdering regime of the King could remain in power

And in the very same post...

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Originally posted by Boroda
Soviet Russia was the first state that recognised Afghanistan in 1920.

So the Soviet Union was one of the first to recognize the bloody prehistoric mass murdering regime of a King, and then the bloody over throw of the Monarchy, and then the bloody overthrow of that junta.

Once again, what is foundation for legitimacy?

Slurpee · « **Reply #31 on:** June 08, 2005, 02:57:44 PM »

Heck, lets just have Russia and US team up and take over the world. Split it 50/50!

Deertick · « **Reply #32 on:** June 08, 2005, 03:25:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Slurpee
Heck, lets just have Russia and US team up and take over the world. Split it 50/50!

I am not splitting anything with those vodka lovers. Whiskey is much better

Too much vodka makes you say things such as this:

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So - I think that international sanctions agaisnt US are an obvious decision, especially when we remember their actions against legitimate Afghani government. Who'll be the first to start openly supplying arms to Iraqi partisans and open training-camps for them?
-Boroda

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Squire · « **Reply #33 on:** June 08, 2005, 05:05:43 PM »

"At least Soviet presence in Afghanistan was not an open act of intervention, we were invited there by legitimate government. We also didn't "bomb them to stone age" as Americans did to Iraq."

No, you just gassed them, much better. Were you invited to do that too?

"I studied logics and discussion only in ordinary Soviet high school"

Gee, its not like it shows or anything...

Fishu · « **Reply #34 on:** June 09, 2005, 12:34:13 AM »

lol, the USSR history sure seems to be funny.
As far as I know, Afganistan was quite far back in the stone age after the russians.
Some Czechnyan towns looks to be also in pretty bad shape, but I guess in few years the history rewrites the situation; it wasnt the russians, it was the mighty army of the terrorists.
It's already just a small skirmish by the history of USSR.

Hangtime · « **Reply #35 on:** June 09, 2005, 12:49:21 AM »

Patton was right.

We blew it bigtime.

Staga · « **Reply #36 on:** June 09, 2005, 01:14:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

So far the world gets squeesed in one direction, and it's what frightens me.
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After reading your opinions in this board I gotta say I'm happy the world is going opposite direction than where you'd like it to go.

Staga · « **Reply #37 on:** June 09, 2005, 01:19:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda

At least Soviet presence in Afghanistan was not an open act of intervention, we were invited there by legitimate government.

I have to ask...
Were you invited there like in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Czechoslovakia?

Fishu · « **Reply #38 on:** June 09, 2005, 04:19:45 AM »

Finnish government invited the russians in the winter war.
...the puppet government at Terijoki, legitimate by the stantards of USSR.

lada · « **Reply #39 on:** June 09, 2005, 04:43:53 AM »

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Originally posted by eagl
Seagoon has it right.

Musharraf basically took the military and told the country that they'd join the modern world, one way or another, by easing away from the strict decentralized religious rule that had stagnated them in a second or third world situation and moving toward a more "western" stance of modernization, governance, and rule of law.

Ahh so he is basicaly like a Sadam.. he were also more-less secular.

lada · « **Reply #40 on:** June 09, 2005, 04:46:31 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
boroda, USSR lost, USA won, give it up, time to move on.

If you consider bonbing of 5 ZSU a win, while whole coutnry is in chaos and people are feared to walk on the streets...

yes .. US won.

And yes there has been made great progress in Iraq also.... they dont have 2-4 bomb attacks within one week.... now they have within one day.

Yay US is winning all around.

Fishu · « **Reply #41 on:** June 09, 2005, 05:27:46 AM »

Of the three, the USA seems to be the best option for Afganistan.
The two others being communist Russia and Taliban.
Taliban didn't gain popularity in about anywhere and the people of Afganistan didn't seem too fond of the communists either.
They don't seem to be too fond of the Taliban regime either.

But theres a whole different kind of mess in Iraq...

Estel · « **Reply #42 on:** June 09, 2005, 06:08:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Deertick
I am not splitting anything with those vodka lovers. Whiskey is much better

Hm. Mix Vodka and Whiskie. 50/50. Drink it. And stay alive. We'll call this drink "Deertick". :-)

Estel · « **Reply #43 on:** June 09, 2005, 06:36:38 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
boroda, USSR lost, USA won, give it up, time to move on.

Really? Tell me one, if US won in Aphganistan, why your soldiers still carry weapons there, and why they become victims of guerillas blasts? US won in Kabul? Yes. Sometimes you can walk from RF embassy to US HQ and can not to be killed. But only sometimes.

You don't take in mind one thing. USSR not only used military power in Afgan. USSR had built an infrastructure and whole industry of the whole country. Plants, power stations, raised medicine and schools from zero level. All afganian high-educated specialists learned in USSR. And learned for free.

Where are these intel people? Were are these plants? Where are schools and institutes? I can tell you where. A little part of them live now in Russia. All others died in Afgan. Taliban killed them. Taliban destroyed all of infrastructure and industry. Fully reoriented USSR built agriculture from food onto drugs.

Now let me ask the question. Where from come the Taliban?

From USA taxpayers money. I guess you can not deny it. All of that stingers and m16 were sent to mudzhaheddins via Pakistan. Pakistanian training camps with CIA trainers and islamic teachers. USA built another structure. They built the plants of death.

After the conclusion of USSR army from Afgan the haoth become in the country. And the country has got under authority of professional murderers. Teached for USA taxpayers money. By the way, you know one of them. His name is Usama Bin Laden.

You lost the war.

You lost the war, because now, 17 years after the Afganian war it was nececcary to you to destroy that death structure wich was built with your own hands.

The history is showing that there is no country wich can win Afganian war. You are next in this list: Great Britain, USSR, USA.

Habu · « **Reply #44 on:** June 09, 2005, 08:02:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Estel
Really? Tell me one, if US won in Aphganistan, why your soldiers still carry weapons there, and why they become victims of guerillas blasts? US won in Kabul? Yes. Sometimes you can walk from RF embassy to US HQ and can not to be killed. But only sometimes.

You are obviously not very smart or you would know that most average Afghans love what the US is doing in their country.

If there were only 100 terrorists in the whole country elaborate security precautions would still have to be taken as it only takes one bomb to kill many Americans and it only takes on man to plant one bomb.

So your argument about how the US has lost the war is all based on a false premise.

That being said I would like to point out that using your logic Columbia lost the war, Israel lost the war, just about every country in the middle east lost the war (what war I am not sure) and so did Russia because in each of those countries elaborate security has to be taken around government officials.

Russia created the Taliban. Russia destroyed Afghanistan. The US is fixing Russia's mess.