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The Frustrating Situation in Afghanistan
« on: June 07, 2005, 02:09:21 AM »
Because Iraq has been seizing the headlines of late, few people know exactly how difficult the job that US, UN, and the Afghan security forces have been tasked with is.

The military situation in Afghanistan is particularly frustrating because the Taliban are operating almost exclusively out of Pakistan these days. The vast majority of their new recruits come from the Madrassas (schools of Islamic instruction - their school day is split into two parts - morning, study the Koran, afternoon, guerilla training) in the refugee camps in Pakistan. Most of the Taliban recruits, while ethnically Afghan, grew up in the camps, and have never lived in Afghanistan, in fact, many no longer have families in Afghanistan, and the majority of boys have never even been in the company of women - it seems hard to believe but all they know is the Muslim Brotherhood, the Madrassa, and the Jihad.

They sneak over the border, plant mines and IEDs, set up time delayed rockets, or destroy any American or UN assistance projects in villages (they bomb new school buildings, water pumps, anything "the infidels" do to help the Afghans) and then hightail it back to Pakistan. Pashtun tradition is never to give away a man running from his enemies, so the village elders in Afghanistan give them defacto protection, even though they are making their lives hellish. Additionally, the Taliban are still feared by most Afghans, as they are incredibly brutal and singleminded - even by Afghan standards.

The only way to stop the cycle would be to close down the Madrassas and stop the Wahabbis from sending in funds to buy new weapons, both of which will never happen for obvious reasons. Imagine if you will trying to fight the Second World war while simultaneously being required to say nice things about National Socialism and allow Nazi indoctrination centers in allied countries. Imagine Winston Churchill declaring in 1940, "Our problem is Adolf Hitler and the SS who have hijacked the peaceful Nazi political system."

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2005, 02:28:01 AM »
Simple solution: ask CIA to stop funding Pakistan fundamentalists.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2005, 02:30:43 AM »
the only way to stop the cycle is to not have a vested interest in the middle-east and its resources. in regards to afganistan, bring the capitalist in and legalize opium production, the place would look like disney land in a decade.

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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2005, 02:35:36 AM »
I say "nuke them from orbit, it's the ony way to be sure!"

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Re: The Frustrating Situation in Afghanistan
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2005, 02:37:57 AM »
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Additionally, the Taliban are still feared by most Afghans, as they are incredibly brutal and singleminded - even by Afghan standards.


Even by Afgan stantards? before the russians it was rather westernized middle eastern country - by the stantards of the day.

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2005, 02:55:00 AM »
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Even by Afgan stantards? before the russians it was rather westernized middle eastern country - by the stantards of the day.


In Kaboul perhaps but nowhere else.

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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2005, 03:01:55 AM »
*yawn* It's late..  so this'll have to do.

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...at home, or abroad.

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2005, 03:46:44 AM »
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Even by Afgan stantards? before the russians it was rather westernized middle eastern country - by the stantards of the day.


And then our all mighty freedom spreaders started their Ego war and gave $1 bil. to Taliban guys + some stingers. later on, in 2000 they invited talibans to USA to make sure, that they are still friends :D

Every lill children know, that US in ME= low standarts of living.

You look at so called allies, who are rulled by kings or dictators.

yet there is another proof, that power in hand of people in middle east = no US in the middle east

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4610655.stm


offtopic... just spoted nice site about Iraq.... if it has disappeared from your news... actualy it did over here.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2005/day_in_iraq/default.stm

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2005, 03:48:30 AM »
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Even by Afgan stantards? before the russians it was rather westernized middle eastern country - by the stantards of the day.


May be some pictures ?

I guess it could be something like northof Pakistan ?


hint... i may go from China to Kashmir and Pakistan in 2 months ;)

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2005, 04:18:32 AM »
I thought US is giving military and monetary aid to Pakistan; are you saying they're willingly accepting your donations but aren't giving anything back but a finger?
Sounds familiar :D

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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2005, 05:24:39 AM »
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Simple solution: ask CIA to stop funding Pakistan fundamentalists.  :rolleyes:



or we could ask US to stop supporting pakistanian dictator ?

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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2005, 01:52:59 PM »
Alot of good news from Afghanistan.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006782

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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2005, 02:14:56 PM »
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the only way to stop the cycle is to not have a vested interest in the middle-east and its resources. in regards to afganistan, bring the capitalist in and legalize opium production, the place would look like disney land in a decade.


Legalize opium?

Well, didn't they do it already?

Drug traffic from Afghanistan through Central Asian ex-USSR countries raised at least 10 times since 2002.

Isn't it why US insists on removing Russian (commonwealth) border-guards from Tajikistan?... :confused:

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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2005, 02:32:19 PM »
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or we could ask US to stop supporting pakistanian dictator ?


It’s the same thing: pakistanian dictator =  Pakistan fundamentalists.

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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2005, 03:17:05 PM »
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It’s the same thing: pakistanian dictator =  Pakistan fundamentalists.


Respectfully Russian,

No it most surely is not. Musharraf is a military dictator who seized power specifically to keep militant Islamists out of power and to maintain ties with the West. He is desperately unpopular with the Pakistani umma (the congregation of the faithful, i.e. faithful Muslims) and Mullahs and has already survived two separate assasination attempts by Al-Qaeda affiliated groups.

More on that from the Guardian...

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