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« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2005, 10:17:13 AM »
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Universal autoretract to be friendly to new players != auto deployed flaps unique to the N1K series.

One is a gameplay consession inflicted on all aircraft in AH and the other is a modeling issue.


Sure, auto-extending flaps is unique to the N1K, then how about the "helper" features that would be uniquie to other planes?

P-51D had a K-14 active gunsite. We don't have that. It would be realistic to have it though.

IMO we should not have the EXTRA helper features some planes had if we also don't add the negative features with them.

getting off topic, but One thing I would really like to see is the REMOVAL of automatic engine management. Let's remove automatic cowl-flap and intercooler settings and see how well pilots handle their planes at all the different altitudes that we fly at....

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« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2005, 10:27:09 AM »
I second that, Midnight!

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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2005, 10:30:19 AM »
getting off topic, but One thing I would really like to see is the REMOVAL of automatic engine management. Let's remove automatic cowl-flap and intercooler settings and see how well pilots handle their planes at all the different altitudes that we fly at....

Make it and option so you can turn it on and knock yourself out managing all that crap.

I am here for fun and fights ... not immersive engine management.
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« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2005, 10:40:35 AM »
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Make it and option so you can turn it on and knock yourself out managing all that crap.

I am here for fun and fights ... not immersive engine management. [/B]


Then, why not getting an aimbot, so we can get rid of all this aiming cr*p? After all, we are all here to have fun and fight, not immersive gun aiming...  ;)


IMHO an airplane is a weapon as a whole. Good management of all its systems means more dangerous opponents. Bad engine management means less dangerous opponents.

I fail to understand why only gas has to be managed.

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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2005, 10:48:32 AM »
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Then, why not getting an aimbot, so we can get rid of all this aiming cr*p? After all, we are all here to have fun and fight, not immersive gun aiming...  ;)


IMHO an airplane is a weapon as a whole. Good management of all its systems means more dangerous opponents. Bad engine management means less dangerous opponents.

I fail to understand why only gas has to be managed.


Your absolutly right ... BUT ... HTC would drive away subscribers in numbers that they don't want to see.

If engine management is wanted, they you have to get the whole ball of wax or forget it. That means startup procedures, run-ups at the end of the runway ... etc ... get my drift.

I think I would be safe in saying that the vast majority of subscribers DO NOT want this type of management and if implemented, alot would leave.

If it was implemented as an option and you want to sit at the end of the runway doing a run-up while the endless coveyor belt of 109s and 190s vulch the crap out of ya ... knock yourself out.
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« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2005, 10:57:38 AM »
lol you guys are such tools. really you are. you ask for realism but when it hits you, you're going to ***** and moan about it.

Midnight, why not make it so we have to taxi out, sit on the runway, hold short and wait for clearance? Not before you warm up the engine, do the run up. That in itself it a good 15-20 minutes. Oh yeah and I didnt mention preflights. Another 10-15 minutes there. (if you're quick about it)

So now you just spent almsot 40 minutes just getting your plane in the air.

Hell, 40 minutes is all I've got some nights. Do you really think I want to spend my free time waiting for my 38 to warm up and be checked out, just so I can take off?

Do you honestly think that Hitech would see that crap as a good business move? ontroling throtle, fuel mixure, making sure you dont over rev the engine... There would be newbs falling out of the sky left and right because they didnt have a clue how any of it worked. And after they drop out of the sky they're going to drop their subscription.

Save that crap for real life aviation. You can never forget that this is a game, and its here to simulate dog fighting as Hitech himself said. Its not here to teach us how to fly, how to manage an air plane as they did back then or now.
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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2005, 12:50:26 PM »
Morpheus

I'm not asking that we get all that stuff. I don't want it all and I doubt that we would be able to even control it all effectively from a keyboard. The graphics can only display so much information and there are too many gauges that would need to be drawn, etc.

My comment about cowling flaps and such goes back to another thread about engine management that would allow newbies to fly their planes with no ill effects, but would require some manual adjustments to get peak performance depending on conditions. I think it would introduce a little more variability into some fights, because, depending on pilot skill, his plane may or not be as fast as it could be. It was a long thread, but I don't want to get into all the details of it here.

My point is that the N1K shouldn't get any automatic flaps that would make it even easier for newbies to fly that UFO all over the place.

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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2005, 12:58:29 PM »
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My point is that the N1K shouldn't get any automatic flaps that would make it even easier for newbies to fly that UFO all over the place.

Why not?  The real one had them.
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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2005, 01:02:28 PM »
I can't see how anyone would want to fly the Nik. But then again, I also often fly the SpitV. Like Leviathn said, its all about whats fun to you. And I can understand that.

I just dont see what thrills are to be had from flying a 4x20mm lazer equiped jap hellicopter.

If i had a choice to fly a spit1 or a Nik, and nothing else, it'd be a spit1.

I hate japanese planes with a passion. Not because they're tough to kill because they aren't at all. American men, american planes... American Iron. I should say Allie. But you get the idea.

I love nothing more than to see a Nik, zeek or Ki84 stuggling, on fire, blowing up, half a wing, being picked apart. It gives me a warm feeling... Butterflies maybe. They're crap. They all deserve to pay. And they're only good when they're going up in flames.
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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2005, 01:10:02 PM »
Think about the N1K2 remodeled with auto-flaps.  Pilots would no longer be able to make sharp turns WITHOUT the flaps deploying.  Hello, E-bleed.  The plane would probably show less of those "UFO" characteristics.


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« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2005, 01:11:11 PM »
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I love nothing more than to see a Nik, zeek or Ki84 stuggling, on fire, blowing up, half a wing, being picked apart. It gives me a warm feeling... Butterflies maybe. They're crap. They all deserve to pay. And they're only good when they're going up in flames.


So Morph, did you ejaculate when you were done typing that?

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« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2005, 01:17:04 PM »
Guys, you do realize that you gain NOTHING from removing the automatic flap retrieval?


AT THE SPEEDS THE FLAPS RETRACT, THEY WOULD BREAK IF STILL OUT.


You're not going to be able to fly longer, or hold a turn a little faster...

You're just going to break the flaps once you hit that speed.
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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2005, 01:38:17 PM »
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So Morph, did you ejaculate when you were done typing that?

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I have screen shots printed out. They are of burning Niks.

I will leave the rest up to your imagination. :)
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« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2005, 01:56:07 PM »
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My point is that the N1K shouldn't get any automatic flaps that would make it even easier for newbies to fly that UFO all over the place.


the real N1K2-Js... all of them had em...

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« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2005, 01:56:32 PM »
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I have screen shots printed out. They are of burning Niks.

I will leave the rest up to your imagination. :)


It's the ones that are stuck together that frighten me :p

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