Author Topic: Bf109F-4 (Read 691 times)

RedTop · « **on:** June 08, 2005, 05:59:57 PM »

Ok...Now anyone who knows me in AH knows I am a Spit V guy. Love that plane and fly it MOST of the time...Hurri every now and then...And I venture out and fly other things from time to time....

I have been trying and would like to keep trying this 109.

What I need is some advice as to how to fly it effectivly and what it does or doesn't do. B.Z isn't my strong suit by far but I would like to maybe learn a bit more of it so I can understand what I am fighting as well.

Any tips on this ride from some LW guys would be greatly appreciated.

Krusty · « **Reply #1 on:** June 08, 2005, 07:37:56 PM »

See my reply to your duplicate post in other forum

RedTop · « **Reply #2 on:** June 08, 2005, 07:48:54 PM »

Thanks...Are you Krusty in the game? If not what is your name in the game?

gnubee · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2005, 08:49:14 PM »

Hey RedTop~
I see you are beginning to share my affinity for the 109F-4...

The Franz (or Fritz) is by far my favorite 109 for a variety of reasons. Since you are used to a Spit V, the Franz may feel a little sluggish as a turner but if you end up needing to turn and burn the Franz won't let you down. At low speeds it is surprizingly stable and with about 2 notches it will turn with almost anything. And with the Franz you can be a Wolf in sheep's clothing. I say this because you will be able to shock the hell out of someone who thinks you're flying a G-2,6, or 10 when you start turning with them...

The Franz does best however when you use it in the Vertical. When you find yourself in trouble you can outclimb most other planes and come over the top on them when they start to stall out.

Personally i would advise against loading out the Franz with the additional 20mm Cannon's, simply because they slow it's roll rate and makes turning and burning a little more difficult.

Well... I meant to just share my $.02 but it appears to I dropped at least a buck-fifty...

Have fun, and keep the Franz alive!

-scott

Krusty · « **Reply #4 on:** June 16, 2005, 03:42:33 PM »

Going back to the 109F.

I think it, more than the other planes, lends itself to the gondolas. It is the most agile, and still has the most agility with gondolas.

Too bad we didn't have something like the C205 wing on the 109F. It would have RULED the skies!!! I sometimes wonder what a wing like the 190a's would have done for the 109's performance.

Anyways, if you're not planning on turning too tightly gondies are perfectly fine. HOWEVER, I encourage you to refine your gunnery skills. Avoid snapshots if possible. Go for the manuver that will get you on the other plane's arse and then fill said arse fulla lead.

I've gotten 4 kills with the 200-round option before. But that was with some spraying. I get impatient at times! Take the lesser ammo option and you will learn to be patient or you'll be flying home rtb with no ammo. The only thing I hate is that they drastically reduced the 7mm ammo on the 109F. I liked that part of the Emil, you have nearly unlimited 7mm ammo, and can get at least 5-6 kills with 7mms alone (assuming you live long enough to get the kills). It gets even worse with the 13mm guns of the G6/10. Less ammo = less kills, but oh well.

Fly the F. Die in the F. Win some, lose some, get experience, then fly inside your personal flight envelope as best you can. I find myself limited because I just can't get my mind to use a twisty rudder as effectively as some can use it. Thus the superior rudder authority of the 109 is mostly wasted when I fly it.

So Red, what do you think now, after flying the Franz for a while?

My name is "Krusty" in-game, but I only fly HTH. I usually will try flying LW rides because they are harder, and offer me the promise of future enlightenment if I can learn them better. Aside from that I like p51B and some allied rides as well. I try not to limit myself to one ride, but if I had to define my flight style it'd be "109 pilot".

HoHun · « **Reply #5 on:** June 16, 2005, 05:30:28 PM »

Hi Scott,

>The Franz (or Fritz) ...

Unfortunately, "Franz" - while often used by the online community - is in a fact a fantasy designation.

It's really "Friedrich", for the letter "F" in the German phonetic alphabet. The name "Friedrich" often is abbreviated to "Fritz" (as you quoted, too).

("Franz" of course has no phonetic value, too easy to confuse with "Hans"!)

The phonetic alphabet goes "Anton, Berta, Cäsar, Dora, Emil, Friedrich, Gustav, ..." - I'm sure you recognize a few of the other codes as well :-)

(It's similar to the old Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog, ... alphabet used by the USAAF and later the USAF - some authors speculate about the F-86D named "Sabre Dog" for its radar nose, but of course, it's was simply named for its phonetic code :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

gnubee · « **Reply #6 on:** June 17, 2005, 04:29:40 PM »

Thanks for the info Henning! I think somewhere in the back of my head I knew that... but when I first started learning about WWII aircraft I learned it as the Franz, and we all know, old habits are hard to break.

See you up there

-scott

wrag · « **Reply #7 on:** June 17, 2005, 08:18:50 PM »

Well my $0.02..........

All 109's are rudder aircraft............

Very strong rudders.............

When you want to roll or turn add rudder.

I prefer the roll vs the turn, I use both but the roll will frequently get you around quicker.

I always take the gonds, and the 200 in the 109f4. Doesn't seem to affect preformance THAT much with em.

You get slow enough to use flaps... better use em!

It's a little slow once you get low and turning but accelerates quickly.

Many F4U pilots have made the mistake of underestimating this little plane.

109f4 is MEAN especially with gonds.

NOTE avoid HO'n a 109. It may not have the gonds but if it does............

Krusty · « **Reply #8 on:** June 17, 2005, 08:33:11 PM »

What Scott said

Angus · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2005, 12:14:06 PM »

Fly the Frederick light, - it is a very good dogfighter.
Absolutely one of my favourite aircraft.
Good luck

RedTop · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2005, 06:19:59 PM »

Well after flying it a few times , I have come to like it. It is alot of fun to fly. I have stuck with the gondies. I shoot like crap so I need whatever pop they can give me.

I find it very rewarding getting kills in it. Landing a few is even more rewarding.

I have some Rudder Pedals coming and will fly it even more when they arrive.

Thanks all for the input. I'll keep learning and taking it up.