take a Russian shooting thread...

[beet1e]

Lazs,

For as often as you spend outdoors in the sun, you really need to take better precautions. That sun is strong where you live. You should be using sun block lotion, and it would greatly improve your constitution if you were to drink 1 or 2 litres of water more each day than what you drink now. Or you'll have kidney problems.

[lazs2]

beet thanks but... if you recall... I spent time with you.  I really don't need a lecture on how to stay in shape from you.  

lazs

[Magic]

I am taking russian shooting today..

Hmmm... so who did you have lined up for him to shoot? Jane Fonda and Boris Yeltsin?

[Russian]

I really don’t think we can even attempt to compare Russian cars to US. They are like night and day, made by completely different ideologies. Also that nice 400 hp hot rod would not last a day on Russian roads. Each side had a need and approached it from different sides.

[XrightyX]

Originally posted by lazs2
I am taking russian shooting today.. or he is taking me... whatever..

We will shoot guns in any case so it is a good thing.

lazs

I took a German friend of mine to the shooting range before he left to go back home.  Got to "spread the gospel" .  He loved it.  First and last time he'll ever be able to do that again...

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by lazs2


I do wish I had take a picture of him shooting the 340 PD.

For those who don't know..  this is a 12 ounce (bout like a cell phone) J frame (tiny) Smith and Wesson 5 shot revolver in .357 magnum.

This should be the gun for all concealed carry permit holders...  If you carried this thing it would be a sure bet that you would try everything else before you were forced to shoot someone.

lazs

I own one and carry it often. Its great for a hot day when you arent wearing alot of clothing.

The other great thing about the 340pd is that even if you miss, the muzzle blast alone from the thing is enough to knock the bad guy down and allow you to hit the road.

Its deffinatly nothing you'd want to take to the range to shoot all day.

[lazs2]

we were shooting 125 grain federal hollowpoints out of the thing..

If you miss you will at least set the target on fire.

Russian doesn't need to be converted... he is a gun guy to the core but I would urge all you gun guys to take as many people as you can shooting whenever possible.

Nothing dispells the fear and the myths so much as real contact with firearms.  Nothing helps our cause more.

oh.. and russian... I don't care what kind of road we are talking about... that 400 hp monster is gonna hold up better than a 124 fiat.

lazs

[Boroda]

boroda... I had some interesting conversation with russian.   Like you he really doesn't know much about cars tho.  He does own one here but..

As for the fiat 124... saying that it is robust and built like anything russian is....

an insult to anything russian.   the fiat is one of the worst cars every built... rivaled only by french cars for being crap..  Any American kid could turn one into an urepairable scrap heap in a week.

Did I tell you I don't drive?

Did I tell that Lada 2101-06 are robust?

I said that it can be fixed "with a hammer, plyers and some help of ebony mother".

It is very repairable, at least in vital parts, not stuff like rear lights. And it has to be repairable because it whoopee breaks!  

OTOH: it was indeed a best European car of 1967. It have won a competition with Honda and Renault IIRC. Hehe in fact Honda and Fiat were equal, but a link between Fiat and Italian Communist party made a deal.

Another thought: here you have 15 millions of "classic" Ladas, and 10 millions of other cars, 1000 different models. Guess what spare parts, repair works and other stuff will be cheaper and availible all the way from Brest to Vladovostok? Ladas win

Loving cars as I do... the russian way of doing cars leaves me less than thrilled.

Did you see GAZ-66? UAZ-469? They can be used to tow your "humvees" from the places where they get stuck in mud.

Comfort is not an issue. Performance is not an issue. Getting from point A to point B is a problem. It is solved. That's it.

As for performance.. russian versions of things often lack what I call "performance"  the Ural motorcycle is a copy of the BMW..  it is a 750 that the russians copied in 1946 and developed on their own... it is robust and cheap but...  It is sadly lacking in "performance" by any measure of the word except dependability.

lazs

I wonder who buys Urals in the US for $5000+ (!!!).

What I want to say is: leave every business to those who do it better. Luxury cars to Germans. Cheap reliable consumer cars to Japanese. Tanks - for Russians. Also - supersonic jets that can operate from grass airfields

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Russian
I really don’t think we can even attempt to compare Russian cars to US. They are like night and day, made by completely different ideologies. Also that nice 400 hp hot rod would not last a day on Russian roads. Each side had a need and approached it from different sides.

Agreed about need and approach.

But 20 years old VW Passat is still much faster, reliable, comfortable and controllable then 2005 Lada model 10. Even on Russian roads. Ask Estel about driving from Shahovskaya to Rzhev at night at 140-160km/h in winter with 0.5m holes in asphalt every 1.5 meters...

[Hangtime]

Hell, Boroda; I betcha Russians make real good shoes.



I had a Fiat 124 when I was in Germany.. was a better off road car than the jeeps that chased me. Doesn't mean we're all gonna keep Fiat knockoff's to tool the interstate or autobahn with.

One wonders why the Asian car market hasn't blossomed in Russia.. one would think that a cheap car that runs and has windows without cranks would be popular over there...

Unless you seem to be a bit shy on paved highways?

[lazs2]

well... I don't even know if we are argueing anymore..  I think most russian stuff I have come into contact with is built strong and as cheaply as possible... sometimes it performs much better than anyone would expect but it rarely excells.  

Ithink a lot of vehicles that are russian might work as good as anything in a narrow range that is russian conditions but... I have seen nothing about them that is more rugged than versions of the same TYPE of vehicle from other countries.

I like russian weapons well enough also but... I can allways find another countries version of the same TYPE that is better made and more accurate... tho... much more expensive.

I don't care about the expense tho.... see... I am a capitalist.   We got money coming out our butts.... or, at least we have allways acted as such.

And... It has worked out for us.. we have a huge range of things to shose from of all kinds of different types and quality...

I like that better.

It wouldn't be the end of the world if I were stuck in russia with only russian made.... well... russian made everything but... It would be much better to be there with a wide variety of goods.  See my point?

russian told me that the fact that the whole country was walled in was not really a factor to most people... they never really gave it any thought... I am sure that is true but... being an American you can bet the farm that I sure as hell woulda given it lots of thought.

lazs

[Edbert1]

I've never fired the 340PD. My CCW is an SP101, pure brutality to shoot. I expect not as bad but bad enough for my tastes with the 125gr in it.

[genozaur]

GAZ-66 is actually a truck buit to military specs. Main use - as a "light" all-terrain personnel carrier. Boroda, you reminded me the "Wild East" scenario of which I was a ballast participant. It was in a clay desert of southern Kazakhstan on a pretty sunny day about 5 P.M. local time. We were on our way back to camp when our local guide spotted a lone saigak (long-horn antelope). We immediately decided to chase that vefy fast animal. As we started the chase, the flock of sudden clouds shaded the sun and threw the gloom shadow over the desert. In less than 15 minutes GAZ-66 drove that saigak into total exhaustion of life strength. After running many wide circles on top of its acceleration speed the poor antelope gave up, bent its knees and lowered the body onto the ground, still holding up the head on the long neck. The swift end came with blissful slash of local  dagger blade across the throat. The locals ate the meat, and our commander was pesented with the saigak horns. And I can still remember that deadly chase when I was standing behind the driver's cabin watching GAZ-66 mimicking the dusty arcs speareheaded by the long-horn antelope. And the gloom.  

[takeda]

Hey, don't look down on the 124. Two SEAT 124 (spanish built FIATs) scored 3rd and 4th in Montecarlo '77. They were known as the flying taxis

[SMIDSY]

this is WAY out of left field but...
all the russian girls i have ever met are skanks.


prolly somethin to do with "the good of the many"