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Offline Toad

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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2005, 01:30:48 AM »
Sorry, wasn't yelling. Just highlighted the "what was wrong part". I should have just bolded it; you'd have gotten it.

From the link I posted up thread:

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No mention of Cunningham's real estate transaction with Wade or the lawmaker's subsequent purchase of the $2.55 million house in Rancho Santa Fe appears on the annual financial disclosure form he is required to fill out each year as a member of Congress because personal residences are exempt from the forms.



Ain't passin' judgement, just sayin'.

Dana Carvey voice: "Personal residences exempt. How Conveeeeeeeeeeeeenient."

Make it the biggest Tom in the litter then.  ;)

Ain't like the world is short of cats or anything. Is this bunch "special"? Do they taste even better than chicken?
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2005, 01:49:12 AM »
Aha. Betcha our boy pays the taxes, nice and legal.

The kid down the street has a litter... the runt has personality; looks like it would appreciate flying lessons. We're actively involved in finding 'em all homes. 3 left to go. I've resolved to not let the little buggers get snuffed.

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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2005, 02:28:11 AM »
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I'm a Duke Cunningham fan, but if he took a bribe, he was wrong, and I'll be terribly disappointed in him. Being an ace doesn't give you a free pass. In fact, I think it means you have a higher standard to uphold.


Some of the best "aces" were also men of rather "colorful" character.  Your idea of what constitutes stepping over the line might be very different from his.  Just because a man served his country well in the armed forces, just because he was an "ace", or even a Medal of Honor winner, doesn't stop him from being human and doing things wrong.  Bravery in battle and good morals don't always go hand in hand.

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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2005, 07:18:49 AM »
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Some of the best "aces" were also men of rather "colorful" character.  Your idea of what constitutes stepping over the line might be very different from his.  Just because a man served his country well in the armed forces, just because he was an "ace", or even a Medal of Honor winner, doesn't stop him from being human and doing things wrong.  Bravery in battle and good morals don't always go hand in hand.



Accepting a bribe in any form is over the line. Cunningham trades on his name and reputation of honor and integrity. This is a guy who is a lot more like Joe Foss than Greg Boyington, and rarely hesitates to say so. He is in a position that requires him to be so. This is not a case of Cunningham being FORCED to try to be something he's not. He chose to enter public service and trade on his reputation and name.
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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2005, 07:27:41 AM »
Based solely on my knowledge of the housing market in Southern California, this deal smells to high heaven. The way real estate has exploded here I can't imagine anyone losing money on a deal.

Ain't no way that house languished unless they were asking WAY more than it was worth. In that area of San Diego county $1 million doesn't get you a mansion anymore.

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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2005, 08:46:38 AM »
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There's the fork in the thread. It either now takes the high road or the low road.

There's other ways to convey your opinion John.


Outstanding save Toad!

If we can get a couple more people to just use their head and chime in it will go a long way toward alleviating the pressure on HTC to "do something"

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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2005, 09:11:58 AM »
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It does sound kinda fishy but this just cracked me up

 

isn't that the max contribution from a business?  I don't see how that's major but then again this is a small part of the story.

Here's what I don't buy completly:

 

This seems like it's much to do about nothing.  We did invade this country called Iraq and defense contractors have made ALOT of money since them.

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My thoughts, exactly GS.

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« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2005, 09:49:43 AM »
Another thing to think about. MZM gets to write off the $700,000 as a capitol loss. It could be called a sound business move. The company gets the tax write off and the insider gets a great deal, if I read it right.

Remember, Dubya did a similar deal when he sold Arbusto.
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« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2005, 09:55:40 AM »
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Remember, Dubya did a similar deal when he sold Arbusto.


Then it must be okay. :aok


I think John brought it up, and my apologies if this is off topic, but what were the details on the Clinton Whitewater deal?
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« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2005, 10:05:44 AM »
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Maverick,

What it is implying is that he sold his house for way above market value.  In other words that the contractor was slipping a back door bribe to him and then sold the house at it's market value, $700,000 less than they bought it for.


Is there anything too it?  I'd have to see more before I'd feel comfortable saying we know enough to jump on Rep. Cunningham.


Karnak and Sandy,

Yep I fully understand the implications and innuendo  regarding the story. What I was commenting about is this. Given thatin the article all there IS is innuendo and an implication, it's a non event. Nope I'm not a "fanboi" of Cunningham, I'm just someone whose tired of character assassination based on innuendo and implications. If those folks actually have something of SUBSTANCE then publish it, get an indictment and move on. If all they have is a feeling or they think  something just doesn't look right  then all they have is an opinion. That is not fact. If they have something to investigate then get to it and get the results of the investigation out in public.

To imply someone has a problem is neither an allegation nor factual proof of a problem. Get facts then publish them.

As far as property values in California are concerned there is more to consider than just the asking vs selling price. Was there a fire in the area? Was there a mudslide that wiped out half the houses there? Price can drop for any number of reasons including a lack of interest in that particular area due to neighborhood problems.

Still no factual reporting of actual wrongdoing and certainly no connection of granting of contracts by Cunningham to the contractor. There isn't even any information that Cunningham has anything to do with granting contracts for this area or activity. Again nothing but an innuendo  for character assassination.

That's my point on the article that I read. It's fluff and no substance or to use another cliche, smoke and mirrors.
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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2005, 10:30:32 AM »
Whatever it was, it's done.

It'll be officially investigated I think.

Time enough then to decide if he's the hero or the goat.
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« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2005, 10:34:33 AM »
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Originally posted by Sandman
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Kinda funny actually... we've had a lot of talk around here about statements that are irrelevant to the discussion.

Okay Randy, what does marijuana have to do with real estate? Was Wade smoking it?

Doh... my eyes must have glazed right over that little gem on the first link.
This is a bit of a play on what I said earlier, so I'll respond:

He didn't write the articles that he's quoted in. That's simply what the author of the article decided to quote. The article I mentioned, in regards to irrelevant information and ommition of pertinant information, was a decision by the author to do so. It's called journalism. It was poorly done in the article listed at the top. Very poorly done.

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« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2005, 10:38:02 AM »
Good point. It would be nice to see a tape of the interview and find out when/how the subject of marijuana came up. Lacking any sort of context, I'm left to believe that Cunningham was dodging the subject.

Wait, there's more.
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« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2005, 10:45:34 AM »
I don't think he was dodging the subject, but trying to make a point that he is a very straight laced individual. You guys are reading to much into his comment, IMO.
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« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2005, 10:50:08 AM »
Ah... the scrutiny begins.