Toyota aims for $50,000 hydrogen car

[Holden McGroin]

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Takes energy to "make" hydrogen too doesn't it?
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hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe
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It takes energy to free the hydrogen bound up in water, natural Gas, Coal, or Oil.

Hydrogen is not an energy source as humans use it, it is a storage medium.  We need power plants to seperate the hydrocarbon molecule or seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen in water.  

The United States has two abundant supplies of hydrocarbon, each supply larger than the energy supplies of the middle east.

Oil Shale can produce competitively priced crude within a few years and proven reserves are greater than the Saudis.

Our coal reserves are four times the energy of the world's oil reserves.  Synthetic crude from coal is a known technology, developed 50+ years ago.

Coal gasification was standard practice before natural gas was exploited.

[Leslie]

I read about a hydrogen powered lawnmower that used hydrochloric acid as fuel in a closed system.  The acid was separated into hydrogen and chlorine gas, which when mixed as gases in the combustion chamber would ignite using light.  The chlorine went back into the "gas tank" during the process and returned to a state of HCL.  No spark plug was necessary, but a strong strobe light instead.  They ran the lawnmower for about 30 minutes.  The only exhaust was water vapor.

The article (Popular Mechanics from years back) speculated on building a car with "skylights" in the hood to augment the "spark lights", making the car able to run from sunlight in bright sunny places, and use battery power other times.

The article sounded feasable, but haven't heard about that idea since.  Guess having a sealed system car fueled with hydrochloric acid isn't a great idea because of accidents, but the lawnmower ran exactly that way.

It was very interesting.



Les

[FUNKED1]

Wowzers these hydrogen cars will be great when we find the vast untapped reserves of hydrogen that don't take more dirty energy to produce than they give back during combustion...

[lada]

Originally posted by Toad
BMW Hydrogen Cars



Yep. That's on their site now; no date attached to that statement.

Thanks, hadn't seen that about BMW.

I alredy saw nice documentary about Hydro BMW. Its quite old project.

But chief of company , whitch manufacturing Hydrogen for Gas stations named real problem well.

Toyota, the world's second-biggest car maker, believes launching hydrogen cars earlier than 2015 would be difficult due to a lack of filling stations, the paper said.

The biggest problem of hydrogen cars is distribution of hydrogen. In other words, they expect that current oil giants will buy hydro technology and they will continue to produce hydrogen along with traditional fuel.
Chief of that company also refused to sell hydrogen to Gas stations. They are now cooperating with BMW.

It was kinda smelly attitude.... like no no ... nobody else can produce hydrogen fuel but our giants.
I didnt know if hes serious or not.

Im afraid, that hydrogen is not in interest of oil companies is it ?


btw. If im not wrong they have many bus's at Island since 1999 driving on hydrogen.

Its also funny to compare what happen,  if you will put benzin tank on fire and hydrogen tank on fire. There might be video outside. Somebody has done that test on some US or UK university.

[lada]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Wowzers these hydrogen cars will be great when we find the vast untapped reserves of hydrogen that don't take more dirty energy to produce than they give back during combustion...

Im just wondering if we will get more rain once we will fill athmosfere with so many water

[lada]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin


The United States has two abundant supplies of hydrocarbon[/B]

Are these petrochemical factories or nuclear facilities ?

it seems to me that you work around chemistry

[Skydancer]

MMM yes The USA probably does have abundant suypply of Hydrocarbons but if you keep burning em at the rate you do at the moment the USA might be a little smaller! and not quite such a comfortable place to live! So maybe a fuel who's only by product is water is a good idea? No?

[lazs2]

if everyone was conserving and driving little crap boxes for the last 20 years we would not be doing anything till 2050

you can all thank me and my ilk in our 6-13 mpg Hot Rods and wasteful ways for forcing the issue.   We are a reactive species not a proactive one.

enough blackouts and brownouts and we will get some real power sources too.

lazs

[Toad]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Wowzers these hydrogen cars will be great when we find the vast untapped reserves of hydrogen that don't take more dirty energy to produce than they give back during combustion...

Hey, everybody wants a little Nukie now and then!



....but seriously folks....

If the gloom and dooms are right and we're knocking on the door of running out of oil..... we HAVE to have something.

It's been pointed out that there's LOTS of coal or oil shale to use to produce hydrogen.

The simplest answer though is probably nuke; the technology is there, look at Japan and France. Although I admit the US has way more tree huggin' to go through first. Did the Japanese and French have to clear forests of tree huggers? If not, why not?

Last....SOLAR! Might be a great beginning use for advanced solar and we've got a large amount of Arizona, New Mexicon, Utah and Nevada to set up in with out bothering very many folks at all.

Just some thoughts.


Oh... Laz.... how much HP can we get out of a big block Hydro motor?

[Leslie]

Mankind has about 100 years to develop interplanetary spaceships to move us to another planet.  The world will deplete resources in about that time at the current rate.  I read that in a book about rockets and space travel.  Science fiction or no?

Better get busy.




Les

[Hangtime]

Sept 11th,  2015 AP/Al Jezzeriah News

Al Quedia tests new Hydrogen Car bomb outside Baghdad today

[lazs2]

sheesh... what a bunch of doom and gloomers... One good plague and we can pretty much start over.

lazs

[Gh0stFT]

oil is still needed even with hydrogen cars,
think about plastic alone, its used everywhere.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
oil is still needed even with hydrogen cars,
think about plastic alone, its used everywhere.

I am sure some wiser than me have thought of this but what about Airliners, Tanks, Ships? you gonna convert all those too? Not sure you could power airliners on batteries. Tanks the range would probably be about 10 feet. Ships might can use hydrogen or something else but there are other forms of transportation that will suffer when we run out of oil, its not just cars.

[Toad]

I think the idea is that getting everything possible switched over to hydrogen gives us more time to invent Doc Brown's "Mr. Fusion" machine.