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Offline Chairboy

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« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2005, 04:55:11 PM »
I asked a german teacher in Middle School about 'kraut' and she indicated that she found it offensive, or at the least, insulting.  I'd like to get a couple more data points from Germans on this.

In regards to the Eurofighter again, it's an awesome plane, and I hope the US and Eurofighter equipped nations fight side by side, if any fighting has to be done.
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« Reply #61 on: June 20, 2005, 05:06:45 PM »
Heh well nice to see the o'club is back to its old self again :)

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« Reply #62 on: June 20, 2005, 05:23:08 PM »
The first time i got called roast beef by a some french students i burst out laughing.  We were in a  mates car driving to cardiff and two of them were kicking the back of my seat chanting "roast beef! roast beef!":D  

Limey has never bothered me either.  Hmmm... maybe all those limes were the cause of my funky teeth through generations of lime sucking....

Curse you limes!!!!!!:mad:
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« Reply #63 on: June 20, 2005, 05:31:55 PM »
I personally dont find "yank" offensive.  Kinda enjoy it actually.  I could see how kraut could be tho.  Just rolls of the tongue funny.

EDIT:  Do the A-10 gun kills in Desert Storm count?  That would be one hell of a way to eat it.  30mm through the chopper.   eeeeek.
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« Reply #64 on: June 20, 2005, 06:15:50 PM »
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A mach+ separation could not be used.  They couldn't jettison external stores or tanks (brits get mad when we bomb the UK, go figure).

Er... that is all :)


as allways eagl you make very good points.  Especially the quoted line above.  

We couldn't have the commander lose his golf club filled TDY pod now could we?;)

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« Reply #65 on: June 20, 2005, 06:17:09 PM »
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We couldn't have the commander lose his golf club filled TDY pod now could we?;)


TDY Pod? I think we used to call those blivets (ten pounds of crap in a five pound bag). ;)
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« Reply #66 on: June 20, 2005, 07:20:18 PM »
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TDY Pod? I think we used to call those blivets (ten pounds of crap in a five pound bag). ;)


Their also called travel pods.  not sure if F15s have them but I asume they do.  Its basically a streamlined pod that u can put luggage in for travel.  In an F16 you can't go over MACH 0.95 with it on.

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« Reply #67 on: June 20, 2005, 10:06:43 PM »
You inevitably design your stuff to counter your enemy's stuff, not your ally's.
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I would be amazed to learn from the designers of the eurofighter that the performace of the F15/F16 fighters played no role in inspiring better performance of the eurofighter.  

Just because a particular combat system belongs to your ally should not exclude it from inspiring your next generation combat system.  At least if your design team had any brains.
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« Reply #68 on: June 20, 2005, 11:29:23 PM »
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The first time i got called roast beef by a some french students i burst out laughing.  We were in a  mates car driving to cardiff and two of them were kicking the back of my seat chanting "roast beef! roast beef!":D  

Limey has never bothered me either.  Hmmm... maybe all those limes were the cause of my funky teeth through generations of lime sucking....

Curse you limes!!!!!!:mad:


The correct terminology is whiney poms. As in "look at the whiney poms going off at the ref again"  ;)

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« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2005, 01:20:13 AM »
Do F-22s still have a flight control problem?  There was a problem after flying in the wake of a F16 and a F-22 exceeded all of its stress limitations.  This been fixed now?
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« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2005, 01:26:15 AM »
think it was a software problem , might well be fixed when microsoft release new patch:D

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« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2005, 01:39:55 AM »
It wasn't a problem with the flight controls. The aircrew over corrected when trying to recover the aircraft from the stall. When the system finally took over the controls and locked out the pilot the aircraft recovered fine.

I think there is an official report out there that you can read. It wasn't necessarily the aircrews fault. It happenend very quicly from what I understand. My squadron was flying chase when the incident happenend.

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« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2005, 03:48:03 AM »
Ah, that makes more sense.  I just read it in the end of April edition of Flight International.  It takes so long for this magazine to get round where I work!

I guess it's just one of those early teething problems, even the EF which I have dealings with have had many teething problems.
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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2005, 09:48:43 AM »
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Ah, that makes more sense.  I just read it in the end of April edition of Flight International.  It takes so long for this magazine to get round where I work!

I guess it's just one of those early teething problems, even the EF which I have dealings with have had many teething problems.


It was just in the paper that the one that crashed recently had power failure.  Seems that the aircrew didn't follow proper preflight procedure OR that the proper procedure wasn't in place yet.

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« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2005, 09:57:53 AM »
This is what Flight International wrote:

Flight International issue 15/2005
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Wake turbulence led to overstressing and $3.6 million-worth of damage to airframe

A flight control system flaw allowed a Lockheed Martin/Boeing F/A-22 Raptor to exceed its load factor limits, seriously overstressing the airframe, after encountering wake turbulence from the target aircraft during air-to-air tracking tests. Flight-control software is being modified following the 28 September incident.

The stealth fighter reached peaks of +10.1g and -11.7g, and angle of attack (AoA) exceeded -60°, during a divergent oscillation that lasted little more than 3s, says the US Air Force investigation report. The load-factor limits for the test configuration, with two external fuel tanks, are +7.33/-0.5g, and AoA is limited to +26/-10°.

The aircraft landed uneventfully after automatically recovering from the incident, but the cost of repairing damage to the airframe – which includes overstressing wing and fin roots to more than 170% of design limit load – is estimated at $3.6 million. The USAF has not decided whether to repair the F/A-22 – Raptor 4003, one of the early aircraft assigned to the development test fleet at Edwards AFB, California.

The F/A-22 crossed the wake vortex of the Lockheed Martin F-16 target aircraft while repositioning for an air-to-air tracking test at 8,500ft (2,600m) and 500kt (925km/h) to determine the fighter’s handling qualities with two external tanks. Triggered by the wake encounter, the fly-by-wire fighter began a divergent oscillation with increasing positive and negative pitch rates, load factors and AoAs.

Throughout the event, the Raptor’s horizontal stabilator was moving trailing-edge up and trailing-edge down at maximum rate, but was unable to stop the chain of events. The pilot’s control inputs – while appropriate for the sensed motion, investigators say – ended up 180° out of phase with g, and contributed to the oscillation’s severity.

When the aircraft exceeded -36° AoA, the flight-control system initiated an auto-recovery as programmed, disregarding the pilot’s inputs and commanding constant full trailing-edge up stabilator, and – roughly 8.5s after the upset – the Raptor recovered to 1g flight.

Multiple previous wake encounters had showed no divergent oscillation, but investigators concluded the flight-control system was deficient because, despite having AoA and g limiters, it allowed the aircraft to exceed those limits and placed the pilot in a situation he should not have encountered.
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