Downing Street Memos

[john9001]

we don need no steekn memo, saddam attacked iran, attacked Kuwait, killed his own people, defied UN orders to disarm, shot at allied aircraft.

the iraq people are free of saddam and his 2 idiot sons that killed and raped.

all you whiny liberals can cry all you want, the butcher of bagdad is done. thats my "memo" and i'm stickn to it.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Maverick
Second question here. After reading this thing in it's entirety I'm at a loss. I was hoping to see someplace in here where it confirms any allegations that the war was going to be innitiated on a fictitious precept. Is there a paragraph missing here that I should be seeing that says this is going to be a made up reason to go to conflict?

when it comes to liberals bashing bush all you need are rumors, acusations, fake memos made with microsoft word, and a liberal Bush hating media to help fan the flames.

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by Toad

I've only seen that the US and Brit govt's aren't denying the memo.

Bush never denied the "other" memo either.

VIA Facsimile
April 9, 1972

To:  My Commanding Officer
From:  Bush's Commanding Officer
Re:  Bush = Bad

Dear Commanding Officer,

Bush is a bad man.  He went teh awall and is deserting to snort cocaine.  He is a bigot from Texas and should have never gone into Iraq.  He ist teh Hitler and bathes in oil.  I recommend that this be sent to Dan Rather in 30 years.

Sincerely,

Admiral Smith
Smith@thearmy.com

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Bush never denied the "other" memo either.

[Toad]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
first and formost do you even know what minutes are..

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A baseless assumption and, of course, wrong.

Originally posted by DoctorYO
your rebuttal?

[/b]

No need. I see that Drunky has covered the obvious.

[Nash]

It's fake but accurate!

er wait a minute, it's accurate but FAKE!

Uhm... It's no less fake than it is less accurate!

It is no more less accurate than it is no more less fake! But, accurate, but fake.

Uhm.... dang.

[Nash]

ps.

This aint all relivin' past powerline Rathergate glory thinkin' ya can simply call "forgery" on any damn thing ya don't like (GOP Schiavo talking points memo anyone?)  therefore making it all go away.

Takes 2 seconds to find out the truth here.

Now, dispute the contents as much as you like... but no amount of "Hitler" crying is going to make the Gitmo debate go away.

And no amount of cries of "forgery" is gonna make the DSM go away. Does not pass scrutiny.

Plus, those powerline guys can't write themselves out of a wet paper bag. I wish I could blame that on the material they got to work with.... but.. it's prolly a combination of unforunate circumstances.

[Toad]

Are you talking to me? Are YOU talking to ME?

If so, it's a bit too cryptic.

I haven't been watching this very closely. I take it there's a new dustup about it.

After a bit of investigation, my comments here were yeah, it seems the memos are 3rd Generation reproductions but almost everyone one agrees they accurately represent the official documents.

What's really in question so far is what content the official documents contain that might be the long-sought "smoking gun" for the anti-EevVIilL Boosh forces.

For me that remains in question.

Over to you, David.

[T0J0]

Originally posted by Nash
ps.
Plus, those powerline guys can't write themselves out of a wet paper bag. I wish I could blame that on the material they got to work with.... but.. it's prolly a combination of unforunate circumstances.

Nash
 lets see any published material that you have..  Your Lib your not suppossed to like powerline!

TJ

[Maverick]

FWIW, if that memo I pasted above is the "smoking gun" that is supposed to be undermining Bush, someone is smoking but it ain't the gun. The Memo doesn't support the allegations, period. If ya got something, post it but I hope it's far more relevent to any allegations than the downing street memo above.

[Steve]

if they were false why wait 1 1/2 months to discredit them now. (they have been out since may..)
note i said minutes, and that alone brings alot of credibility in my book..)

Your tinfoil hat is on crooked and the vast right wing conspiracy is going to invade your brain!  Watch out for the black helicoptors. OJ is secretly running the Govt and has a classified memo for you.  Turn on your secret agent radio that we cleverly disguised as a box of Cocoa Puffs and planted in your pantry, await orders from the mothership.

[DoctorYO]

i see lots of attacks toward DoctorYo but only one and a half of semi rebuttal...

Drunky - attack : has conversation with himself in order to have some angle of discredibility of my and 99% of the worlds defenition of what minutes are.. (pretty feeble method..)

makorov 9 - unknown...  maybe cheerleader/or dogpile tactic for Drunky...  

maverick - Actually semi rebuttal..  your points are noted..  Now go read everything Richard Clark has to say..  Follow that up with everything Diplomat Wilson has to say about niger and the supposed yellow cake exportation..  Now read the minutes again...  If you cant connect the dots well thats on you..  If you want to be blind thats your opinion and it is respected.. this is america last time i checked..  your points again are noted..

Tojo - attack :created the thread but then rebuttals "drink the coolaid.." attempted dogpile..(original.. great points there..)

John9001  - attack:  accuses me of being whiny liberal..{kindly define what that means in your own words} {wanting accountability is whiny liberal?;we live in a democratic society elaborate}   then goes on how Saddam Defiled the UN and the whole region..  then you claim saddam attacked Iran.. (this is the good one..  and why do you think he attacked Iran.. is my question to you..  there is no doubt Saddam is a tyrant..{being a tyrant is not justification of preumptive war according to international law and the United Nations, We are signitories to the United Nations and international treaties, write your congressman if you want america out of those agreements.}  infact if you took the time to do your history the only people able to control that region of the world for the last 2500 years have been tyrants..  I could give you 5 pages of dialogue on why a tyrant is needed to keep the peace but i just start with one reason...  geographic location between 3 continents..  but hey i dont expect you to actually understand why that is important becuase you dont even know why Saddam attacked Iran in the first place..)(valiant effort, boneheaded but valiant indeed., attempted dogpile..)

Gunslinger -  attack :takes a cue from john9001 and continues the whiny liberal angle, says rumors and other crap is needed to bash bush..  how bout senators (read Clay Shaw),  bipartisan diplomats(wilson), or bi partisan cabinet members (clark) breaking the facts out of information vacuum.. (i ask you the same question as John9001 define liberal or whiney liberal..)(attempted dogpile)

    
Saurdaukar - attack : posts some blatant misinformation with no credibility to this discussion, attempting some discrediting angle of my posting (attempted dogpile but extremely feeble in relevence..)

Gunslinger - self gloating: posting smile (cheerleading attempted dogpile..)

Toad -  attack : (my personal favorite) posts no answer at all ducks the debate entirely (attempts discredit angle thru others meritless posts..)(fails to understand that a few posts above he called minutes "opinion", Doc Slegehammers as always and toad rebuttals with no info or backing....)(dogpile or cheerleading your make the call...)

Nash - i dont get the first post, but brings up valid point with gitmo, granted something different than my posting on the minutes..  (point taken..)

Toad - acts if a answer is not required by the fact that this thead may bore him or something.  then rebuttals my original posting even though he's answering nash.. (good for you no ducking ) and claims no smoking gun..  (i agree it isn't a smoking gun but when combined with other testimony of those who had access to our executive i think it deserves a congressional inquiry at a minimum and full blown investigation at maximum.. )(ducking a inquiry(read Scotty Mc's response) in a democratic society is contempt for the very democratic process we are supposed to be exporting..)(hence making this country a laughing stock of credibility for our foriegn policy that will have repercussions for the next 30-50 years)(i use germany as my timetable example as they are still not liked in europe ask any belgian or pole etc....)

There you have it fellas, next time try to get more creative with your attack process its rather feeble when you have nothing backing it..

Insert another quarter and try again..



DoctorYo



PS sad when someone asks for rebuttal and gets all mouth arse with exception of 1 and a 1/2, the one being maverick the half being Toad at the end..

Have a nice day..  



edited to include new steve and maverick posting...

Maverick - attack claims smoking becuase i guess my response was over 15hours...  (you can now see my response.. enjoy)

Steve - attack : claims black helicopters Oj running govt.. etc..  discrediting angle to the extreme..  (very creative bonus points for style..  but what relevence does this have to do with Clark, Wilson, Shaw's and many other testimony when combined with the Downing street minutes..)

insert another quarter..

[Toad]

Originally posted by DoctorYO

Toad - acts if a answer is not required by the fact that this thead may bore him or something.

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Nah. I did answer. I thought it was clear enough for anyone but maybe not for someone with a continual anger problem.

It's real, real simple.

I clearly said I don't have any doubts that the memos are "accurate representations of actual official documents".

Shouldn't be any confusion there.

 

then rebuttals my original posting even though he's answering nash

[/b]

I'd think the post where I quoted you would obviously be my reply to you. Sort of like this one?

The reply to Nash seems quite obvious as it comes right after his and directly addresses his issues.

Sorry if that's confusing. I'll start quoting the individual every time I answer someone to help out.

As for the "minutes", they're not specific delineations of facts resulting from a detailed investigation. They're justa  record of a meeting where people discussed and gave their opinions on what the situation appeared to be. That's why they show no "smoking gun".

That's all I said and you apparently agree. Although you seem to feel the need to bluster and get red-faced or something.

Are you now going to your standard ad hominem technique and brag about your sledgehammering of this and that?

I'm willing to discuss and clarify whatever I'd said here in a gentlemanly manner but if you're just stoking your ego again I'm afraid you'll have to play by yourself.

Have a very nice day.

[Steve]

Steve - attack : claims black helicopters Oj running govt.. etc.. discrediting angle to the extreme.. (very creative bonus points for style.. but what relevence does this have to do with

Yo, take a breath and enjoy the debate. I was just interjecting some humor.  I hope you didn't seriously see my post as an attack but rather just poking a little fun for the sake of a chuckle.  It certainly wasn't meant as an attack.


Edit:  I love Cocoa Puffs.. had them on my mind as I typed the post.

[T0J0]

Yo
 You didn't really add any substance to rebuttal about other than well known dem underground type conspiracy theories.
 The whole memo issue is a non issue with no substance at all.  And the story about
 the reporter making copies of copies and then retyping the copies gives the memo story its only appeal at all....
  Its all great that you want to leed and champian the conspiracy cause but alot of us dont drink the Kool-aid you lefties drink. Thats ok, we poke fun at the left you poke fun at the right I dont see it as a personal attack other then a difference of opinion.
 And I really dont think the replies were attacks just differences of opinions but its to bad you took it the wrong way really, maybe this whole internet thing is a little to much for some people, having  the differences of opinions and all.  
 Peace out!
TJ