Downing Street Memos

[TheDudeDVant]

Thanks for that last post Raider!

Great articles Momus.. I was not familiar with those happenings..  I guess if it works in the past, it will prolly work in the future as well..  Amazing!!

[lazs2]

It is healthy to suspect government no matter what the "proof"..

let's hope you socialists still feel the same when it is a liberal politician or judge that needs to be looked at.

lazs

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by DoctorYO

    
Saurdaukar - attack : posts some blatant misinformation with no credibility to this discussion, attempting some discrediting angle of my posting (attempted dogpile but extremely feeble in relevence..)

Cry for me.

[Silat]

Originally posted by lazs2
It is healthy to suspect government no matter what the "proof"..

let's hope you socialists still feel the same when it is a liberal politician or judge that needs to be looked at.

lazs

These are not the droids you are looking for.
Just ignore the past.
Ignore the facts and let our government guide us without question. Its only half of the country + that thinks these antiAmerican thoughts about this administration.
Democrats and Liberals are UnAmerican and want to pander to the terrorists.
Silence those who question our government.
                 

[lazs2]

nope silat... I am all for removing more and more power from government... Unlike the liberal socialists... I don't think that any government is altuistic and good.  

Less government is better not... more government is better so long as it agrees with me.

So far... I gotta say that the socialists are the  ones who threaten me with more and more real government power.

How bout you?  more or... less government?   What do you want?

lazs

[DoctorYO]

Cry for me.

heh

cry why cry???  more like pity the fool..  I called your disinfo tactics.. your bitter for it..

like a mathmatical function..



DoctorYo

[AWMac]

There never was any secret Downing Street memos written in 2002. And if there was then it was Boosh who put them their and reproduced them. See Boosh assumed we had speculated on what he thought he was thinking and therefore speculated that we had assumed that he wasn't thinking.











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[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
heh

cry why cry???  more like pity the fool..  I called your disinfo tactics.. your bitter for it..

like a mathmatical function..



DoctorYo

I have nothing to be bitter about and I can spell you're.

[Raider179]

Well here is some breaking news.


Cheney Says Downing Street Memo Is Wrong
Fri Jun 24 2005 09:43:30 ET

Vice President Dick Cheney was asked on CNN about the 'Downing Street memo' which said the Bush Administration had decided to go to war with Iraq and the intelligence would be fixed around that policy.

Asked if he disputes the memo's claim, Cheney said, "Of course. The memo was written sometime prior to when we actually got involved in Iraq.

"And remember what happened after the supposed memo was written. We went to the United Nations. We got a unanimous vote out of the Security Council for a resolution calling on Saddam Hussein to come clean and comply with the UN Security Council resolution. We did everything we could to resolve this without having to use military force. We gave him one last chance even, and asked him to step down before we launched military operations.

"The memo is just wrong. In fact, the president of the United States took advantage of every possibility to try to resolve this without having to use military force. It wasn't possible in this case. I am convinced we did absolutely the right thing. I am convinced that history will bear that out."

END

I like this part... Asked if he disputes the memo's claim, Cheney said, "Of course. The memo was written sometime prior to when we actually got involved in Iraq. "

lol of course its fake. Its from before we even went to Iraq. lol Glad to see Cheney has those dates down.

As for Saddam stepping down, I still think we would have went in in order to "maintain the Peace".

Ok well anyway this lets us know that the Bush Administration refutes the Memo. So now I guess that is saying the Brits are lying.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

[beet1e]

Originally posted by T0J0
This just keeps getting better everyday!!
More damaging forged documents...

Yep. In 1919, there was a Downing St. Memo going around, advising of the likelihood of a Bolshevik uprising!  They banned guns the following year!

[Toad]

Originally posted by Raider179
Asked if he disputes the memo's claim, Cheney said, "Of course. The memo was written sometime prior to when we actually got involved in Iraq.

 

Looks like he disputes the memo's claim.

Just sayin'.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Toad
Looks like he disputes the memo's claim.

Just sayin'.

All that matters is they now are pinned down into saying that the "claim" of intelligence fixing in the memo is false. Now Someone is lying. Either the Brits or US. It cant be both ways.

just sayin'

[Toad]

'Downing Street memo' which said the Bush Administration had decided to go to war with Iraq and the intelligence would be fixed around that policy.

Looks like the article addresses two claims, the decision to go to war and the intelligence claim.

I didn't see Cheney's interview or read the entire text, so I'll hold right there.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Raider179
Vice President Dick Cheney was asked on CNN about the 'Downing Street memo' which said the Bush Administration had decided to go to war with Iraq and the intelligence would be fixed around that policy.

Actually as per the memo which I posted above, it does not say anything like the claim in this question.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Maverick
Actually as per the memo which I posted above, it does not say anything like the claim in this question.

Umm yeah it does...

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

Read the context of the paragraph.

1)A shift in attitude
2)Military action now seen as inevitable
3)justification by terrorism and WMD
4)Intelligence and Facts being fixed around policy
5)no patience for UN and publishing material on the regime's record
6)Little discussion of the aftermath of military action

And now Cheney says "The memo is just wrong. In fact, the president of the United States took advantage of every possibility to try to resolve this without having to use military force. It wasn't possible in this case. I am convinced we did absolutely the right thing. I am convinced that history will bear that out."

Sounds like the memo is right to me.