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« on: June 21, 2005, 03:52:35 AM »
This is from a UK website, so they haven't included the UK prices. I paid 90p/ltr for diesel on Saturday. :mad: UL95 is about 4p cheaper. I refuse to pay an extra 5p for "premium diesel", despite the lavish claims made by the fuel company about the wonders it would do for my engine. I go by the car handbook. I use whatever fuels and oils it tells me to, and I don't recall seeing anything about premium fuels.

Think about this chart before posting any gas price whine threads!

I edited this chart to show the countries where diesel costs more than petrol/gasoline/carburant - shown in blue. Taken from the May 2005 report. The columns on the right (UK pence) are easier to use when comparing different countries. Source: http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/fuel/



Diesel used to be cheaper to produce than  petrol. It needed less crude oil and less refining. But that was in the days before vehicle emissions became an important issue. Diesels emit more particulates, so these days diesel must be further refined.  I read that "California Diesel" costs about 4 cents more than in other states - probably because the fuel needs even further refinement to meet CA emissions standards.

Bio-diesel combustion releases a much smaller amount of particulates than hydrocarbon diesel - about 26% less.

One of Rudolph Diesel's early engines ran on peanut oil - the original bio-diesel.

I didn't know it until this week, but apparently R. Diesel topped himself by jumping overboard a ship. :(

I had an interesting discussion about all this on a UK board. My original post made the comparison between UK and European prices. The discussion swung to comparison between UK petrol/diesel prices. I clarified by pointing out that I was more interested in the comparison with European prices... and one guy accused me of "changing my argument". LOL - it was just like being in the O Club! Of course, he was wrong, and I proved it by self quoting a portion of my original post. I was waiting for the guy then to accuse me of "dodging"! If he had, I would have thought the board had been invaded by... erm... never mind.

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2005, 03:58:15 AM »
Beetle, those prices are incorrect as far as Lux goes... I saw 1.24 this morning.

Something to keep in mind also: While it's 0.5/L in Latvia... they also make an average of 300€/month there compared to an average of 3000€/month here ... so even if the price is double, I bet they whine more and drive less than we do.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2005, 04:20:28 AM »
$1.10 Ltr in the weekend here for unleaded...

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2005, 04:23:52 AM »
Saw - the figures shown are last month's figures. I believe they show the average, as not all retail outlets charge the same. For example there's a filling station I know of in Marlborough which charges around 10p more than I normally pay. I'm surprised they sell any at that price.

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2005, 04:28:02 AM »
Great! we are one of the biggest producers and we have the highest prices (xcept for unleaded were the dutch has us beat.

Oh well. Only costs 9329 pence to fill up my boat.. and I can use that in a day easy. Usually lasts me about a week tho.

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2005, 04:51:46 AM »
Beetle, you live near Marlborough? I almost got a job there 5 years ago... it's not too far from Swindon if I remember well. Great area to live in! :aok
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2005, 04:53:32 AM »
The price of diesel around here is generally the same as Unleaded Super (highest octane), but I think we're about the highest in the country for diesel in Oregon & Washington.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2005, 05:01:06 AM »
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Something to keep in mind also: While it's 0.5/L in Latvia... they also make an average of 300€/month there compared to an average of 3000€/month here ... so even if the price is double, I bet they whine more and drive less than we do.
Yes, but tronski has since posted. I would think the average income in AUS is much higher than in Latvia. But Tronski's fuel price works out to 48p - lower than Latvia.

Yes, Marlborough near Swindon! Nice town, no riff-raff. I live about 45 mins drive from there. What was your job offer?

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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2005, 05:30:11 AM »
Does the price stay constant?

I have seen the price change 3-4 times in one day, usually for the worst. High in the morning, going slightly lower after the rush hour, and then backup for the afternoon rush hour which is usually higher than the morning rush hour price.

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2005, 05:41:17 AM »
I've never seen price changes in a single day. From day to day, yes.
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2005, 06:30:12 AM »
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Yes, Marlborough near Swindon! Nice town, no riff-raff. I live about 45 mins drive from there. What was your job offer?


I stayed in Swindon for over a year (NOT a nice town, hehe). The Job offer I had in Marlborough was for a small UPS company... didn't follow up on it as that's about when I got divorced... and fled England.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2005, 07:05:15 AM »
Interesting figures, Beetle.   I first thought the US data must be a decade old, having forgotten to multiply by roughly 4 to obtain cost per gallon, rather that litre.    I think I just read that oil futures are now pushing $60/bbl.

One thing to keep in mind perhaps, is that in the US, real estate development is extremely "spread out" compared to Euro countries, with regard to where people live and work.   Historically cheap gas prices enabled large bedroom subdivsions to spring up miles away from any businesses.  I think the average commute time in my area is 45 minutes, which means people on average are living 15-20 miles away from where they work.   Most of the newer, nicer subdivisions are the furthest out.
Typically, these subdivisions require miles of auto travel to accomplish any errand or task - going to the market, church, school, etc.    Usually the closest business establishment is a combination self serve gas station/convenience store located at the junction of the nearest main roadway, but since the subdivisions generally don't include sidewalks or walking paths, you must drive there as well.    Americans spend most of their waking hours at work, but the second largest chunk of time is spent in their vehicles rushing to and fro.

So even though gas is cheaper in the US than in Europe, we are probably more dependent on our cars than you are.   It will take years of high fuel prices to begin to change the"spread out" real estate development mentality.

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2005, 07:41:25 AM »
Oboe is quite right.  My wife commutes 30 miles in each direction.  Right now, gas is at $2.30/gallon U.S. in our area.  She has to fill up the tank about 3 1/2 times a month (Volvo S60 'non-turbo', 18 gallon tank) as most of her commute is in stop and go traffic.
So right now, just on her car, we are spending about $140.00 U.S. per month so she can get to/from work.
Without moving into downtown Dallas, it would be physically impossible to get closer to her job.  And if we did, then my commute would be over 30 miles each direction.

How does that figure compare to your commute?
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2005, 08:01:45 AM »
oh but you guys haven't heard of the new EPA "save us from ourselves" scam yet?

I was informed that all my emergency diesel equipment would have to run on the new "ultra" diesel..  It will be mandatory by January for equiment and I belive that it will be the only diesel sold in a year here in California....

And as everyone knows... as the Peoples Republic of California blue state goes... so goes the rest of the blue places.

Ultra is about 90 cents a gallon more than current diesel.

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2005, 08:08:11 AM »
But Laz...if there was a REAL emergency... earthquake, forest fires, mudslides... taking out your power that keeps whatever water is still running clean and available.... you wouldn't want REGULAR OLD DIESEL doing that for the duration of the emergency, would you?
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