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Offline Vudak

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« on: June 23, 2005, 07:19:03 AM »
Topic 1.  Lately I've been reading a lot of complaints on country channel about center island, and how it is a huge drain on resources to win the war.

Topic 2.  Also, on the big island map (a few hundred~ bases), I was disturbed to find that a country would actively try to capture the whole thing.

Some thoughts:

- On Topic 1 -

I personally don't think that the win the war types should complain about people having some dogfighting/tank war fun being a drain of resources.  I say this because, at the risk of being called a Napolean, 95% of the missions these win the war types put together (I usually peruse them as they become available) are in fact a complete drain of resources themselves.

I just don't see how you could put together a mission that takes off at a 0k base with a friendly 5k base parrallel available, loads every fighter to the max with ordinance (meaning they'll take forever to climb just to 5k as is), and has cannon planes and Mustangs, but puts the Mustangs on deack duty, and see it as any less futile or draining an effort as a bunch of guys flying for a quick fight over the center island.

Furthermore, if the center island is taken, it is not very likely that the people previously having fun there all day are all of a sudden going to load up bombs and help the Win the War-i-Bores change the map.  

I feel that the win the war types would be better off spending less time complaining that people are on center island or saying "center island will doom us again" and more time seriously reevaluate their tactics.  It strikes me as silly, and somewhat, 15ish, that people who put together such ghastly missions, and base attacks that last up to hours, would dare to blame their problems on a few guys (usually less than 20, per country, including GV'ers) having their own kind of fun at center island.

- On Topic 2 -

In regards to the large pacific map...  I do not understand why there is any need whatsoever for one country to completely subjugate the entire center island.  There are well over one hundred bases on the map, and for the most part those flying around center island attack others who took off there.  It is not normally used as a base for offensive action against other islands.

It just strikes me as, again, a bit 15ish, that people would go out of there way to capture the place.

Now, I understand much of the fun for the GVrs on that island is capturing each others vehicle bases.  Now this is fine, but I'd ask that once the other side is down to their airbase, you try to simply contain them to that, as once it is gone, neither you, nor the plane guys, have a fun center island available anymore.

It would be nice if we thought about the next guy who logs on is all.

As far as missions or squads dedicated to capturing the entire center island, I'm sorry, but with well over 100 bases to choose from to take, that smacks of gross inconsideration for the fellows who just want a quick fight.  It really is simply you ruining their fun out of spite, especially since a country doesn't need to be down to just one base to lose the war.

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Just a few thoughts that have been on my mind for awhile.  I invite tar and feathers, but please, leave the matches at home :)
« Last Edit: June 23, 2005, 07:22:10 AM by Vudak »
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2005, 07:22:10 AM »
Well said, couldn't agree more, with any of it.

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2005, 07:47:00 AM »
"center island... is a huge drain on resources.... "  "I personally don't think that the win the war types should complain about people ..."


I agree but for different reasons. Those "resources" are paying customers playing in a fashion that suits them. Tough booty if some online "g3n3r4lismo" spews verbal diarhea telling all captive on vox or the country channel what he wants others to do.  

 To be blunt these g3n3raLz (in addition to the retards who cuss, curse, whine and fill vox/radio with blather) are the reason for my wanting the good ole text and vox perma-squelch.
 It is my biggest fear for TOD in that these tardlings still be able to hold other players hostage and force them listen to them - or waste valuable online time by forcing us to resquelch the same people over and over everytime we log on?
 While I'm looking forward to TOD if however I find cannot perma-squelch players then TOD has one strike against it already.




"win the war"


What war?

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2005, 07:52:03 AM »
spot on vudak and westy.  oh and .squelch el jefe :D

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2005, 08:09:53 AM »
Agree with you Vudak but I don't think the kids in the sandbox will listen or care... :(

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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2005, 08:13:03 AM »
That's all just part of the fun.

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Re: Lots of Complaining About Center Island...
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2005, 08:22:58 AM »
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Originally posted by Vudak
Topic 1.  Lately I've been reading a lot of complaints on country channel about center island, and how it is a huge drain on resources to win the war.

Topic 2.  Also, on the big island map (a few hundred~ bases), I was disturbed to find that a country would actively try to capture the whole thing.

Some thoughts:

- On Topic 1 -

I personally don't think that the win the war types should complain about people having some dogfighting/tank war fun being a drain of resources.  I say this because, at the risk of being called a Napolean, 95% of the missions these win the war types put together (I usually peruse them as they become available) are in fact a complete drain of resources themselves.

I just don't see how you could put together a mission that takes off at a 0k base with a friendly 5k base parrallel available, loads every fighter to the max with ordinance (meaning they'll take forever to climb just to 5k as is), and has cannon planes and Mustangs, but puts the Mustangs on deack duty, and see it as any less futile or draining an effort as a bunch of guys flying for a quick fight over the center island.

Furthermore, if the center island is taken, it is not very likely that the people previously having fun there all day are all of a sudden going to load up bombs and help the Win the War-i-Bores change the map.  

I feel that the win the war types would be better off spending less time complaining that people are on center island or saying "center island will doom us again" and more time seriously reevaluate their tactics.  It strikes me as silly, and somewhat, 15ish, that people who put together such ghastly missions, and base attacks that last up to hours, would dare to blame their problems on a few guys (usually less than 20, per country, including GV'ers) having their own kind of fun at center island.


IN RESPONSE TO SUBJECT 1).  I have witnessed the going's on on TT furball Island and yes it can be great fun.  However, 95% of what actually goes on is spawn camping and trying to dodge the endless suicider low alt bombers.  The other 5% usually are "Proactive", in that, they actually try to take something.  

When TT is lost the side thats kicked off generally goes on to win reset or take the greater majority of bases.  That tells me one thing.  That infact it is a drain on man power. 20 guys u say!  I think you better have another look and count the air guys. If GVing is your hit there is plenty of action off TT.  If you don't want to win or take bases thats your so called $15 but there is a greater majority of the so called $15 wanting to win.

As for ballsed up mission planers.  Dude! use your common.  Plenty kids in here making mission and getting it totally wrong.  If the name (mission planer) isn't well known it's prolly a newbie or a kid.  If the plane set don't look right....Dude I wouldn't touch it with your's.

Oh and guys kicked off TT don't grab hvy's they grab Gv's on the whole.  There is a world of Gv action off TT as you well know from other maps / terrains.

My personal thoughts are, as if you hadn't guessed, is to actively discourage any kind of back up on furball Island.  There are always guys that'll never leave or will actually load up hvy to get back on TT but I would rather give up TT in the first hour than be reset.  I would only ever help take bases on TT if leads to us resetting.  Aces Low... you can keep it!

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Re: Re: Lots of Complaining About Center Island...
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2005, 08:45:15 AM »
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If you don't want to win or take bases thats your so called $15 but there is a greater majority of the so called $15 wanting to win.
 

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2005, 08:55:42 AM »
on a side note,....

on maps like ndisles, new players who log in automatically start there, and some just up the first base they can.

for newbie players who don't know what is going on, they might think they are contributing.

one could say, complaints about the center isle are directed at newer players who want to help "win" just dont know how or know any better.



just an alternate view i'd bet many never thought of
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Re: Re: Lots of Complaining About Center Island...
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2005, 09:05:10 AM »
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IN RESPONSE TO SUBJECT 1).  I have witnessed the going's on on TT furball Island and yes it can be great fun.  However, 95% of what actually goes on is spawn camping and trying to dodge the endless suicider low alt bombers.  The other 5% usually are "Proactive", in that, they actually try to take something.



Just yesterday I was flying over and saw a huge GV battle amidst the ruins of a VH.  I can't really comment too much on the spawn camping, etc. as I'm next to never in a GV, I'm just looking out for them to have a place to have fun.

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When TT is lost the side thats kicked off generally goes on to win reset or take the greater majority of bases.  That tells me one thing.  That infact it is a drain on man power. 20 guys u say!  I think you better have another look and count the air guys. If GVing is your hit there is plenty of action off TT.  If you don't want to win or take bases thats your so called $15 but there is a greater majority of the so called $15 wanting to win.



Are you trying to say that because a greater majority pay $15 to win the war, anyone in the minority who does not is out of luck?

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As for ballsed up mission planers.  Dude! use your common.  Plenty kids in here making mission and getting it totally wrong.  If the name (mission planer) isn't well known it's prolly a newbie or a kid.  If the plane set don't look right....Dude I wouldn't touch it with your's.



I wish this could all be attributed to little kids, but, respectfully, I have not seen an innovative, imaginative, or even at least well thought-out mission on the Knights side in a Long time (only speaking of missions with base-capturing in mind here).

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Oh and guys kicked off TT don't grab hvy's they grab Gv's on the whole.  There is a world of Gv action off TT as you well know from other maps / terrains.



On European-ish terrains, you have a point.  However, on the Pacific-themed ones, this is incorrect.  On such maps center island is really the only place for all three countries to slog it out on the ground.

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My personal thoughts are, as if you hadn't guessed, is to actively discourage any kind of back up on furball Island.



Ie, discourage someone else's idea of fun because you see it as being harmful to your goal of winning the war.

You have stated that the "change the map" types are the greater majority.  What I am saying is that if this is so, you all should be able to win your war without needlessly ruining isolated fun for others that can hold their breath for Wednesday.

I'm not trying to come off as bashing win the war guys...  Everyone is entitled to have fun in their own way, it's like freedom of speech...  But, on the big pacific map, going out of the way to take center island with over a hundred other perfectly takeable bases seems an awful lot like screaming "fire!" in a theatre.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2005, 09:06:12 AM »
Someone really needs to number the basic threads.  You know, like that standard office joke where someone says "#15" and everyone laughs and says "yeah, that a good one".  This thread would be one of them I'm sure.

Until there is an unporkable (hangers won't drop), uncapturable (no map room for capture), set of bases with no offensive potential (no troops) stuck in an out of the way corner of the world.  People will grab bases at furball island killing the potential for the person looking for the fifteen minute "quick fix" they need.

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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2005, 09:10:00 AM »
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on a side note,....

on maps like ndisles, new players who log in automatically start there, and some just up the first base they can.

for newbie players who don't know what is going on, they might think they are contributing.

one could say, complaints about the center isle are directed at newer players who want to help "win" just dont know how or know any better.



just an alternate view i'd bet many never thought of


True, 73, good point...  But what harm can a newbie or two do anyway :) the sky's full of em and it takes hours for 'em to capture a base :D

What irks me are the guys who say "center island will doom us again" which is something I specifically saw last night.  My point is simply that the presence of some furballers/gvrs/ground-attack a/c on center island won't lose or prolong the war nearly as bad as a slew of poorly planned/executed missions or raids.

Sort of like the guys on Trinity slapping away at all the lowland bases while the other side has that one 5k fortress intact...  I'm a furball guy and even I know that doesn't make sense.

There are a couple good mission planners out there, I just haven't seen them for awhile.
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2005, 09:29:28 AM »
I would rather give up TT in the first hour than be reset

OH ... THE HORROR !!!

Last time I was on and was actually reset ... I didn't sleep right for 3 days.
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2005, 09:31:59 AM »
VUDAK !!!! ... how dare you imply that anyone should be doing anything else but try to win the war ... you are just one crazy dude.
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2005, 10:10:43 AM »
Vudak, when you hear that just repeat after me:  I don't care about  your wittle hoard war.  

Then switch sides to the team with the least number of bases and land 50 total kills in a 163 and have a blast.  

I absolutely love how all the little napoleons will start yelling at each other when they are 2 bases away from winning.  I would give them all 75 perks just to shut up if I could.  

Until we get folks to start switching to the teams getting slaughtered more often than those switching to the teams with the advantages, the gameplay in here will continue to suffer  :aok

You guys get it though... j00 r0x0rs in my book  :D