Author Topic: 1024 to 512 (Read 1174 times)

TexMurphy · « **on:** June 23, 2005, 06:55:00 PM »

Christ I just shrinked my skin to 512 to see how it would look and omg it looks horrible!!!

How does HTC make the 1024 skins into 512? Just shrink them?

Tex

Raptor · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2005, 07:19:35 PM »

did you increase color depth to 16+ color before resizing? When making maps and using skins I use 512x512 skin size (it's 1/4 the size of a 1024x1024 texture, one of my maps was 16mb when using 1024x1024 textures and I reduced it to 4.96mb by using 512x512 textures)

TexMurphy · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2005, 07:28:02 PM »

yeah that does look alot better.

Is that what skuzzy does?

Tex

SkyChimp · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2005, 08:33:45 PM »

All skins that go ma need to be 1024x1024..

Raptor · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2005, 09:09:02 PM »

he does something to turn them into part of the AH2 cache

Kev367th · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2005, 09:56:53 PM »

Ah I see what you mean.

We send them as 1024x1024 256 color bitmaps.
So when he further shrinks them do they look really bad?

So would it be better if we sent them as 1024x1024 32 bit bitmaps for Skuzzy to sample down and resize?

Raptor · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2005, 10:13:17 PM »

(what makes you think he shrinks them down?)

TexMurphy · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2005, 02:20:43 AM »

waaaaaaah

Ok this is what I mean...

We send the 1024 version of the skin to skuzzy, right?

The game has 512 and 256 versions of the same skin, right?

We do not submit these, right?

So how does skuzzy make them?

I do wana see how my ride will look in 512 because thats what I use in game. I also wana know if there is something I can do to make it look better in 512 without hurting 1024.

Tex

SkyChimp · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2005, 04:24:58 AM »

Grr... U can't send them in as 512...

They want 1024..

Kev367th · « **Reply #9 on:** June 25, 2005, 12:58:07 AM »

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Originally posted by TexMurphy
waaaaaaah

Ok this is what I mean...

We send the 1024 version of the skin to skuzzy, right?

The game has 512 and 256 versions of the same skin, right?

We do not submit these, right?

So how does skuzzy make them?

I do wana see how my ride will look in 512 because thats what I use in game. I also wana know if there is something I can do to make it look better in 512 without hurting 1024.

Tex

Exactly, thats why I always wondered why we don't send the original 1024x1024 32bit version.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #10 on:** June 26, 2005, 10:43:09 AM »

The skins are re-sampled down to smaller texture sizes as needed. This is all handle by proprietary functions. The degradation when shrinking is pretty minimal.

Here is a page which gives you a clue on the effect shrinking has.

SkyChimp · « **Reply #11 on:** June 26, 2005, 10:48:04 AM »

C'mon skuzz u don't need a 6800 to run 1024 i run it fine with all settings high.

ati9800pro 1 gig ram amd 3000+

1024 text with hi res pack and aa on.

I still get 60 or so inless i get low low low right over trees i get 30

Raptor · « **Reply #12 on:** June 26, 2005, 12:18:41 PM »

some of us dont put as much into our computers as others;)
I've got 384mb RAM and a 128mb video card

Skuzzy · « **Reply #13 on:** June 27, 2005, 05:17:58 PM »

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Originally posted by SkyChimp
C'mon skuzz u don't need a 6800 to run 1024 i run it fine with all settings high.

ati9800pro 1 gig ram amd 3000+

1024 text with hi res pack and aa on.

I still get 60 or so inless i get low low low right over trees i get 30

And if you are preloading skins, you are swapping as well as 1GB of ram will not hold all the skins and normal textures at 1024 size.
You will also encounter pauses/stutters occasionally, when a skin has to load, or when a swap occurs. For most, this is not acceptable.
And if you are running with AA on, you are definately swapping texters more often than needed.

Of course, if you have skins disabled, then none of the above is true.

SkyChimp · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2005, 05:34:55 PM »

I have skins and i do get studders every now and then.

Not that bad tho no 10sec studder just chops when 400-Alt.