Author Topic: The CIA is stupid (Read 968 times)

Raider179 · « **on:** June 24, 2005, 11:24:15 AM »

Is this the best we got?

An Italian judge has ordered the arrest of 13 CIA agents for allegedly helping deport an imam to Egypt as part of U.S. anti-terrorism efforts, an Italian official familiar with the investigation said Friday.

Investigators traced the agents through check-in details at Milan hotels and their use of Italian cell phones during the operation, the reports said. All the agents are American and include three women, Il Giorno said.

Although I don't like the snatching of foriegners on foreign soil damn at least try to be sneaky about it. Use of Hotels and Italian Cell phones. LMAO how bout we equip our people with "safe houses" and satellite phones. And Italy you are now part of the axis of evil.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050624/D8AU0KV00.html

eagl · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:25:10 AM »

Heh. BUSTED!

Being an "operator" myself though, I wouldn't make a blanket statement about the CIA being stupid though. They have a tough dirty job to do and they're going to screw up on occasion, no question. One busted operation after the post-9/11 reorganization, and now they're stupid? I don't think so. They have to ignore an awful lot of hatred just to come in to work each day, and no reasonable person (IMHO) would question the necessity of having someone around to do the jobs they do.

I WILL point a finger and chuckle though, 'cause they tried to be sneeky and got BUSTED!

AWMac · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:26:30 AM »

Actually it was their "Cloaks and Daggers" that gave them away.

Raider179 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:27:03 AM »

On another note, that has got to be a huge violation of international law. Imagine American Citizens being snatched off the streets of Europe and taken to middle eastern countries and "interrogated". We would bomb someone's country into dust (if it wasnt already) if they did that to an american.

Hangtime · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2005, 12:01:55 PM »

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On another note, that has got to be a huge violation of international law. Imagine American Citizens being snatched off the streets of Europe and taken to middle eastern countries and "interrogated". We would bomb someone's country into dust (if it wasnt already) if they did that to an american.

Nice fantasy.. but sorry, our govenment don't give a rats behind about us as individuals in foriegn countries. In fact, we're pretty much held as laughing stocks around the world.. you can insult us, rob us, behead us, kidnap, rape and kill our women and kids at will anywhere on the planet... but if some SOB comes over here and BOMBS us, well, then; we're gonna get jiggy on some foriegn soil in a helluva hurry.

Suave · « **Reply #5 on:** June 24, 2005, 12:30:53 PM »

The Army does a better job at that sort of thing than the CIA anymore. For the last 30 years the Army has been expanding it's intel collection organizations and human intel networks, while the CIA have been having theirs reduced and dismantled.

Remember Pablo Escobar? The government ran a contest to see which organization was better at hunting and catching people, the Army or the CIA. The CIA lost, and Pablo is dead now.

Is that book anygood btw ?

Raider179 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2005, 12:59:31 PM »

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Nice fantasy.. but sorry, our govenment don't give a rats behind about us as individuals in foriegn countries. In fact, we're pretty much held as laughing stocks around the world.. you can insult us, rob us, behead us, kidnap, rape and kill our women and kids at will anywhere on the planet... but if some SOB comes over here and BOMBS us, well, then; we're gonna get jiggy on some foriegn soil in a helluva hurry.

Yeah but see the difference here is you are talking individuals/terrorists versus a Country. Yes individuals can do those things you describe but can you give an example of a Soveriegn Country doing that to Americans?

john9001 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2005, 01:49:57 PM »

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Yeah but see the difference here is you are talking individuals/terrorists versus a Country. Yes individuals can do those things you describe but can you give an example of a Soveriegn Country doing that to Americans?

iran , US embassy, and no , they worn't "students".

Raider179 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2005, 02:43:43 PM »

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iran , US embassy, and no , they worn't "students".

Oh then perhaps you forgot the failed "resuce" mission or the 20+ years of isolation we have given them. And don't think they aren't next on the list. Not to mention this was embassy staff that got taken hostage in a Coup. That also doesnt count because it was IN IRAN. Now see if you can name a time when Iranian foriegn agents went and snatched an American from the streets of Germany or Italy then you can compare.

Do you even read the threads and their contexts or just post?

Thrawn · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2005, 02:50:21 PM »

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Heh. BUSTED!

Being an "operator" myself though, I wouldn't make a blanket statement about the CIA being stupid though.

...you fly F-15s for the CIA?

Nilsen · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2005, 03:05:53 PM »

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...you fly F-15s for the CIA?

Nah, he flyes mail and old grannies to Nantucket but he freaks out the local control tower with quotes from Iron Eagle and Top Gun as he comes in to land.

eagl · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2005, 05:06:21 PM »

I fly F-16s for the CIA and I keep a collection of scorpions to help out with intra-service rivalries. Useful little suckers.

Er... In the USAF, the people up on the pointy end of the spear, those who are in "operations" jobs, are sometimes referred to as "operators".

AmRaaM · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2005, 06:23:52 PM »

If ya run around in the summer with trenchcoats on, what can you expect.....

Boroda · « **Reply #13 on:** June 24, 2005, 07:40:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Nice fantasy.. but sorry, our govenment don't give a rats behind about us as individuals in foriegn countries. In fact, we're pretty much held as laughing stocks around the world.. you can insult us, rob us, behead us, kidnap, rape and kill our women and kids at will anywhere on the planet... but if some SOB comes over here and BOMBS us, well, then; we're gonna get jiggy on some foriegn soil in a helluva hurry.

Hang, an opinion about US government's attitude towards it's citizens is absolutely opposite here.

Five Americans in trouble - and US sends a Tarawa helicopter-carrier with a regiment of Marines to rescue them.

Even in Soviet times we didn't have such an attitude towards our citisens.

In 1991 when we had a "coup" here - I was in a Young Pioneers (soviet version of boy-scouts) camp 100km from Msk, having good time with leaders, 18-20 years old, just as I was. We had an American girl with us, who's host simply dropped her at our "camp" because he got tired of speaking English. She really helped us in that lack of information that lasted for 3 days: we had a short-wave radio, but all stations broadcasting in Russian and English (!!!) were jammed, so we tuned to some French station, and she translated what she understood to English, and I voiced it in Russian.

Most of us seriously expected a US helicopter to fly over our "camp" to rescue her.

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2005, 07:40:57 PM »

i'm sorry, but if even Italy -and that's not France that you love to bash- thinks this country's operatives have gone 'beyond the call of duty' in a very bad way, something is very wrong with the way this country is waging the war on terror. OBL is still at large, the Talibans are probably making a comeback in Afghanistan, and we are running low on troops to fight insurgents and fresh terrorists in Iraq.