Author Topic: RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here  (Read 644 times)

Offline beet1e

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7848
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« on: June 27, 2005, 01:00:13 PM »
Of course, this thread is not limited to VFR pilots. If you've been IFR and lost, that story would be even better!

I've got my story, but I'll wait for someone else to go first. Describe the error that caused you to be lost, and how you got out of it. Include all ATC bollockings, if you infringed controlled airspace.

My story takes place in France, involves thunderstorms, and a 180° change in wind direction as I was about to land.

Over to you.

Offline Wolfala

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4875
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2005, 02:53:42 PM »
Searching for what I wrote....this post will change...


the best cure for "wife ack" is to deploy chaff:    $...$$....$....$$$.....$ .....$$$.....$ ....$$

Offline Hangtime

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10148
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2005, 03:24:07 PM »
Was riding right seat with a guy that was playing with his new yoke mount Garmin GPS. Destiniation was Quakertown PA..  when he set up for Stewart International, I piped up with..

"Unnh, thought we were going to Quakertown?"

(i'd been eye balling the navigation out the window with a strip chart. Hobby of mine.. small boat/ocean navigator, can't help it, I DR damn near everywhere I go, on the water or in the air)

"..this IS Quakertown" was the reply. (Now, folks, Quakertown is a very small lil strip, in the boondocks and uncontrolled. Pilot is very buzy with the dash and is turning base on a FedEx hub...)

"negative.. unless FedEx flies into Quakertown, in which case you might wanna eyball the 727 moving onto the taxiway. Might I suggest you respond to Flight Following, I do believe they have radio traffic for you..

;)

Last time I flew with THAT guy!
The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

...at home, or abroad.

Offline Wolfala

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4875
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2005, 04:15:00 PM »
Flight gave man the final dimension with which to measure his wanderlust.  Surface transport—the ship, the oxcart and the Ferrari—are all captive of plane geometry, yet it was with a plane that man was finally able to travel UP.  (And, inevitably, DOWN.)  So relentless was this upward urge that a flying machine went up to the moon eventually, and then it was no longer a plane but a spacecraft.
   That an airplane was capable of a third dimension was incidental to its value, for aircraft were not for going up and down like an elevator, but for moving from one point to another.  That moved aviators back into plane geometry; pity, for if they’d only to move vertically, pilots would never have learned how to get lost.
   This peculiar talent for going the wrong way isn’t limited to me alone.  Almost all pilots, from the beginning of the science of air navigation, have managed to arc off toward distant horizons with none of the blessings God gave such lowly creatures as pigeons, which manage to find their way with little fuss.  Humans have a rotten sense of direction.  Given the advantage of height conferred by air travel, one might have expected us to do a little better than our meager biological inheritance allows.  But no!  Put a human in the air and that piece of ground he treads daily will look as foreign as the dinner you ate coming up after a track meet.  Charts and compass only obscure the issue using symbology and abstraction to clarify confusion.
   Getting lost is grim stuff if one uses up all the fuel before finding a place to land.  Every pilot who has gotten lost has known that weird constricting in the gut which accompanies the growing realization that he hasn’t the slightest idea of his position in space and time.  All the tools that science has provided him—beacons, airways, omnirange, various instruments—are but trinkets if he loses reference to a known point.  Granted, time and technology have greatly improved the well-trained airman’s chances of finding himself; a vast web of electromagnetic signals now laces increasing portions of the globe with the equivalent of highways that one merely follows or uses for reference.  But even with addition of GPS and various other tools of navigation, we still manage to get lost!  
   Students of flight spend as much time acquiring the skills needed to keep track of where they are as they do learning the behavior of the aircraft.  Because air travel is rapid, it only takes a moment’s inattention to lose track.  Err only a few degrees off course and after an hour you’ll find yourself lost by miles.  As you can tell, it’s very easy to get lost, which may account for its popularity.  
   Getting lost is a tense time for everyone, but worst for the lost one.  To the spectator viewing the stupefied pilot through the lens of stories, there is a certain poignant humor to each situation, perhaps because the poor pilot’s fix reflects something of the human condition.  Being just a little bit wrong is so very different from being exactly right.  And now the time has come for me to tell you a little story.  Every person has a moment in their life when they were really scared.  As with many things in life, good judgment comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgment and as you may know, the wrong decision going at 180 knots can make you a very permanent part of the landscape.  Flying in itself is not inherently dangerous, but it’s very unforgiving to any recklessness, neglect or inattention.  I’ve had to come to grips with some very harsh realities over the years.  Foremost, every time I step in the cockpit I’m forced to come to the realization that this machine can kill me, as it has many of my friends before me.  I learn a very valuable lesson:  ‘The Go-No-Go Decision.’    
   The weather was not good, but it was not bad.  The clouds were in two layers, both broken.  For an hour, drizzles had come intermittently from the scud below.  My route was from Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania, to Igor I. Sikorsky Memorial Airport in Bridgeport CT, just east of Norwalk.  I had flown solo over the eastern Penn “hills” –some of the ridges rise to 2000 feet—before, and had a mind’s eye picture of the terrain and route.
   It seemed to be clearing as I fastened my belt.  An occasional shaft of sunlight came through.  The Grumman Tiger with its 180 HP engine had felt fine on the check flight, and I had been surprised at its pleasant landing characteristics.  Because the tail rides high when the ship is at rest, the amount of backward stick travel at the moment of stall is negligible.  
   At the end of the runway I braked the ship to crosswind position, checked the engine, tested the magnetos, wheeled upwind and took off.  That was mistake number one.
   I took my time climbing, scanning the clouds as I gained altitude.  It didn’t look bad at all.  Coming back downwind, I had 2500 feet, so I set off across the first ridge enclosing the winding river.  Ahead of me, almost at right angels to my course, the river made a turn.  Almost immediately, the scud began bothering me, and I turned toward a lighter spot.  I was not more then three miles south of my course when the river appeared.  I spotted a checkpoint, headed slightly south of east and checked both the deviation and variation of the compass.  So far, so good.
   Here the terrain played out, affording me plenty of places to get down in case of engine trouble.  I was about to lean back with a sign of satisfaction, open a can of Coke when scud began whipping by.  Rain splattered against the windscreen.  I throttled back and nosed down, an eye on the altimeter and the tops of the hills.  Should I turn back?  The return to the airport would be easy, I knew that.  But from 2000 feet, light spots appeared ahead and it was hard to give up a quest.
   That was mistake number two.
   Now it was nip-and-tuck with the scud.  I couldn’t get over a 2000-foot ridge without pulling up into the stuff, and I was not a trained instrument flyer.  I reasoned that I could go through a notch in the range at the right, keeping a valley of a branch of the Susquehanna in sight for 15 or 20 minutes for safety.  In that valley within easy range were three airports, Riverside, Berwick and Wilkes-Barre.  The clouds kept pressing down.  I found myself at 1500 feet anxiously peering ahead at the ridges in my path.  They ran from 1500 to 2000 feet.  Ten minutes passed.  I cut through a notch in another ridge.  Now, for the first time, I was not quite sure of my position.  I studied the map anxiously as turbulent air occupied my stick hand.  Landmarks were at a premium.  I still had time to cut north to the river and follow its valley to the haven of an airport.  But if I did that, I might be stuck there all night.
   I elected to abandon all thought of the river and to rely on my compass.  If I held to a course slightly south of east, I reasoned, I must, with a following wind, come reasonably close to my objective.  If unconsciously I veered south, I had to pick up Staten Island or, at worst, the South Jersey shore.  If I veered north, I was bound to cross the Hudson River.
   I hadn’t remembered so many hills on the course.  And here was a lake I could not place on the map.  Still, just south of east had to get me there—unless the compass had been calibrated wrong.  I drove on , getting a little mad.  I was sure I would cross and recognize the ridge split by the Delaware Water Gap.  It was raining now and then, and the windscreen was getting dirty.
   I couldn’t turn back if I wanted to.  I didn’t know where to turn.  Ducking up valleys had destroyed my sense of direction and as for the map, it had gone completely cockeyed.  I certainly would tell the FAA about that!  I scotched my worry with a singsong reassurance that just south of east must bring me out at some recognizable place.  But the ship was pitching and, more often the not, I was not sure just where south of east was.  Light-plane compasses swing like a blues singer.
   I went on.  The choice was not mine.  Happily, the hills were lower.  I measured them by rule of thumb and the altimeter as the ship went over them.
   The tanks held four and a half-hours of fuel; no worry on that score.  The rain had stopped, but the visibility was getting worse by the minute.  For the twenty-fifth time I glanced at my watch.  I had been out two and half-hours.
   Suddenly, ahead of me loomed a shoreline.  It was a straight shoreline, what I could see of it, and for all I knew, the water stretched eastward for 3000 miles to Europe.  The fact was I could not see 500 feet ahead of the ship’s nose.
   Well!  I wasn’t so dumb after all.  I knew now.  This was South Jersey.  I drew a sigh of relief, leaned back and pop’d that can of Coke open.  Now I would fly just east of north, crossing the New York Lower Bay and Brooklyn, then LI sound to Bridgeport.  That might take 30 minutes, maybe 40.  Through the haze I saw the shoreline bear left sharply.  The map corroborated that.  But I couldn’t see the sand spit stretching north from the Atlantic Highlands.  Well, the visibility was miserable anyway and I was right on an airspace reservation, so it was best to follow the shoreline.  With something below me I might recognize with a little study, I failed to check my map.  That was mistake number three.


the best cure for "wife ack" is to deploy chaff:    $...$$....$....$$$.....$ .....$$$.....$ ....$$

Offline Wolfala

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4875
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2005, 04:15:44 PM »
The terrain failed to gel.  What should have been Raritan Bay turned out to be a little inlet.  Now, instead of returning to the shoreline, I struck inland.  I don’t know why.  I was bewildered, and for the first time, definitely uneasy.  Where was I?  I could be north of my course, but then I would’ve crossed the Hudson.  Obviously what I had seen back there wasn’t the Jersey Shore.  I began wandering north east, afraid to go back under miserable visibility conditions to try and find the ocean although the shoreline sticks out like a sore thumb.  That was mistake number four, according to my count.  More accomplished fliers probably have added up a dozen by now.  
   Now if I were north of my course, I argued, and had crossed the Hudson, a course due south would bring me to Long Island Sound.  I turned south, flying five minutes to the second.  I gave up.  Too soon, as it turned out.  I was more then three hours out.  I had something more then an hour and quarter left of fuel.  Flying over some fields and seeing some football stands I passed over a school.  Being low enough the title read “Joel Barlow”.  
“Redding!”
   That was in Connecticut.  I felt my face getting red.  Then I had been north of my course and I had crossed the Hudson—but how had I done it without seeing it, I could not figure it out.  The track I had made began crystallizing now.  I had been blown ever so slightly northeast.  In 175 miles of flying, the better part of it by compass alone, I had emerged over the shore of Long Island Sound at a point where the shoreline ran almost a north-south direction.  That had confused me.  At that moment I had been less then seven miles off course.  Now I would fly slightly west of south, strike the sound and follow the shoreline east.  That was mistake number five.  I should have flown directly to Danbury and checked the weather.  But Bridgeport couldn’t be more then 20 minutes away.
   The visibility was getting worse.  I dropped from 2000 feet to 1500 and finally 1000.  The sound popped up out of nowhere.  I cut southeast, flying just offshore.  The shore was hard to see, so I edged closer.  Then, as I strained my eyes to keep the shoreline in view, a squall struck.
   The ship was tossed around like a leaf in a gale.  I had to keep an eye on the horizon or run the risk of stalling and spinning in.  I dropped to 100 feet.  The line between the sound and land was dim.  If I stayed over land, I ran the added risk of colliding with something.  But dint of pulling and hauling, I managed to get the airplane headed out over the sound.  Now I dropped down to within 10 feet of the water.  I had to.  The rain was coming down in sheets.  
   I was riding on a miniature gale, lashed by rain, straight east over the choppy waters of the sound.  Updrafts and downdrafts rocked the ship.  For the first time in the eight months since I had received my solo certificate, the idea entered my head that I was going to join that select company of pilots who had not been able to walk away from an airplane.  This was my last ride.  In the next three of four minutes the conviction that my number was up became so fixed that, even while fighting the ship, I found my self wondering when and how they would find the wreckage.
   Then, to the southeast, I saw a lighter spot in the sky.  I could not turn but I could crab, foot by foot.  Presently the rain began to lessen.  From my meager 10 feet of altitude I climbed to 200 for a space to breathe.  I was soaked through, but whether from rain that streamed into the cabin or from sweat, I didn’t know or care.  As I turned, picking up the Long Island shoreline, I could see the squall still raging over the water.  The visibility was not too good and rain still pelted the ship, but the way to Bridgeport was clear.  Later I measured the distance from the point where I encountered the squall to the point where I came out.  In a 120-mph plane I had been blown 20 miles in four minutes.  
   As I climbed out, shaken and weak, in front of Bridgeport Air Service, the imperturbable Gary “Speed”, who had been taking his airplanes in stride for more years then he cares to remember, was lolling in the doorway of his office.  
   “Just get in?” he asked, glancing incredulously at the whipping windsock.
   “Yes, I got lost, very badly lost.”
   “Lots of guys get lost,” observed Speed.
   “But not like I got lost, or as scared as I got,” I objected reaching for a chair for support.  
“Lots of guys get scared, plenty scared.  How about a cup of coffee?”
I felt better somehow.


the best cure for "wife ack" is to deploy chaff:    $...$$....$....$$$.....$ .....$$$.....$ ....$$

Offline cpxxx

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2707
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2005, 05:06:03 PM »
No pilot ever becomes lost, just 'temporarily unsure of their position'.  I never did get lost but I might as well have. One fine summer evening I was meandering back to the airport.  Intending to fly close to the zone but not into it then intending to skirt southbound and  re-enter the zone at the closest straight in point.

ATC called, casual as you like. ' Charlie Uniform , What's your present position? ' They know damm well, ' I muttered to myself with their new radar.'  Looking out for a landmark. I realised it was all rather flat and featureless then made the mistake of clicking the mike before engaging the brain. All that came out was a vague um, ah north of...south of. Very unprofessional.

'Radar shows you six miles south of Trim hdg 090. Call approach on xxx for vectors.' was the curt reply.  They thought I was lost dammit. Rather than compound the whole thing and protest. I ignominiously followed their vectors across terrain I knew like the back of my hand. Even though I was solo in the aircraft I was bright red and hoping nobody I knew  was monitoring the frequency.  I learned about flying from that.

The second time I didn't get lost was on a cross country that passed close to but into the zone of an airport perched on a foggy boggy hill. I called them as a routine and monitored their frequency. At this point I found myself above a thin but obscuring layer of cloud.  Then they called me with those fateful words. 'What's your present position?' Again I fatefully hesitated and desperately switched on the VOR which I wasn't using and dived through the cloud to get a fix.  They had no radar and had an airliner lined up ready to go. They asked him to hold and he complained putting more pressure on me.  In retrospect I should have simply lied because I knew I was well west of their zone. Eventually I saw a town I recognised and called it in.
Another lesson learned.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2005, 05:27:17 PM by cpxxx »

Offline RTR

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2915
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2005, 05:54:20 PM »
RGR that cpxxx, although I prefer the term "circle of uncertainty" LOL.

Been there a couple of times;)

RTR
The Damned

Offline Hangtime

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10148
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2005, 06:05:05 PM »
Scary Wolfala.. mighty scary. Glad you got outta that one with a whole skin.

I use a strip chart clipboard and pencil.. and mark it up. My 'scan' includes a look down, and I update that chart about every 5 min or so. If mister chart and mister terrain don't agree.. (I instantly get that gut clench when that happens) relocating myself becomes priority #1.

Next.. the compass. This is a guess.. but it sounds like you didn't trust the compass in the Tiger. Get a good one. A REAL good one..  Get it professionaly installed and 'swung', get it re-swung every time a new piece of gear goes in the dash. Twice now I've been caught offshore in hideous conditions with a major electrical ah-crap.. DR and a good compass saved my bacon both times... and both times I was tempted to go on gut instinct instead of what that compass told me... the compass was right. If I'da followed my gut insteada that dimly glowing swaying card I would NOT be here now... if there's one piece of gear that you have all the marbles in.. it's that cottin-pickin compass. Use it, get used to it, and BELIEVE it.
The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

...at home, or abroad.

Offline Chairboy

  • Probation
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8221
      • hallert.net
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2005, 06:06:14 PM »
I haven't been lost yet, but there was one point where I THOUGHT I was.  This was covered back in my 'Learning to Fly' thread where, on a cross country to Dagget (Barstow) without VOR coverage, I flew a leg past Apple Valley without any sort of roads or whatnot to use as landmarks.  After like 10 minutes of flying, I started my planned descent without being able to see my airport.  After a few minutes, I started to get leary when, loe and behold, I came out around a mountain, already perfectly lined up on the glideslope.

That was the day I became a dead reckoning true believer.

Wasn't lost, in fact, I was EXACTLY where I planned, problem was, I didn't trust the plan yet.  :D
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Offline Hangtime

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10148
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2005, 06:09:28 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Chairboy
... After a few minutes, I started to get leary when, loe and behold, I came out around a mountain, already perfectly lined up on the glideslope.

That was the day I became a dead reckoning true believer.

Wasn't lost, in fact, I was EXACTLY where I planned, problem was, I didn't trust the plan yet.  :D


Nailed it. ;)

WTG!
The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

...at home, or abroad.

Offline Wolfala

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4875
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2005, 06:30:46 PM »
Was many years ago while still green. Thousand hours and change later, still scares the **** out of me.


the best cure for "wife ack" is to deploy chaff:    $...$$....$....$$$.....$ .....$$$.....$ ....$$

Offline Skydancer

  • Parolee
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1606
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2005, 06:39:57 PM »
Getting  lost is just finding a new way to get somewhere!

I know a VFR pilot. She's pretty quick too ;)

Offline Habu

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1905
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2005, 06:55:00 PM »
I always fly with a garmine 296 on my yoke and I know most of southern Ontario like the back of my hand.

So I have not been lost yet. I also have a spare GPS in my flight bag.

I think it is impossible to get lost with a GPS on your yoke. It has 4 hours of battery life if the cigar lighter socket crapped out as well. I never fly without it.

Offline LePaul

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7988
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2005, 08:08:44 PM »
I had a few moments of "whut woo", to borrow a verse from Scooby Doo, on my second cross country solo when i was 17.

The problem is, I second guessed myself.

I was looking at my chart for a lake that should be up ahead and i still didnt see it.  I figured something was really screwed up and thought maybe I missed my check point.

For a good few minutes, I was convinced I fluffied up.  

Then I figured I would do some deduction.  I used the nav radio to get my fix figuring out what beams I was on with the 3 VOR stations that were available.  

Turns out that the headwind was higher than thought, so I simply hadnt reached my checkpoint yet.

Phew.

Flight training:  $3,500
VOR radio stack:  $5000

Not making an arse of myself on radio asking for help figuring out where i am:  Priceless

Offline Guppy35

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 20387
RL VFR pilots: Ever been lost? Tell all here
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2005, 10:12:35 PM »
Back in 77 while taking lessons.  I was all of 17.  I was on my long cross country Crystal, MN airport to Montevidio, MN to Park Rapids, MN and back to Crystal.

Flying Piper Warrior II N3332Q, the same bird I solo'd in.

No problem getting to Montevideo.  Back otw to Park Rapids and I'm getting nervous when the time I should have been there passes, I drop down to see if I can read a water tower on one of the small towns.  Then I spot a big lake in the distance and head that way, thinking it's Mille Lacs lake.  I promptly fly over Camp Ripley, the Army base in northern Minnesota.  OOPS!  Thats a no no, but I now know where I am and find Park Rapids before heading back to Crystal.  Of course the ride is really bumpy otw back and it's the only time I can feel myself getting a bit airsick, but I get back and put the plane away.

Didn't tell my instructor about that restricted airspace I'd flown over and through.  No one said a word and I never heard anything about it.

Almost as bad as when a buddy and I went up in matching warriors to do a bit of rat racing and dive bombing.  We messed up the  radio channel and were on Twin Cities approach control.  We both had heart attacks when they came on and let us have it.  

Weird to see two different airplanes do a double take and peel off in opposite directions trying to sneak back in and land without getting in trouble :)

Dan/CorkyJr
Dan/CorkyJr
8th FS "Headhunters