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Offline JB73

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« on: June 28, 2005, 09:22:08 AM »
this is odd, and i am not quite sre how i should feel.

a woman i know, Lisa, died yesterday. she was 41 and a special needs teacher for the public school system here in milwaukee. she was the last woman i went on a few dates with. it didn't work out for reasons i'd rather not comment on. we were friends through a mutual friend (my cousin) and she was a great person.

she got married 10 months ago, and 4 months ago was diagnosed with colon cancer. there were complications with a surgery, and collapsed one of her lungs. she succumbed to the disease / complications from chemo therapy.

i feel truly sad for her husband, and family and friends...

but i am just feeling odd about it. someone i dated has passed away. it really makes me think about mortality. i don't know how to describe what i am thinking, it is just odd. in my 32 years on this planet i have known only 2 people relativly close that have died. this is the second. everyone else i know has gone to many funerals, and dealt with it. i just haven't "lost" anyone i really know closely.
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2005, 09:28:31 AM »
You are lucky not to have lost many yet, but you will like the rest of us in time.

My grannie used to say that the more people that pass away the more mortal you feel.. until you reach a sertain point were you actually start to just apreciate the life you have and thoughts of mortality fades again.


Sorry for your loss

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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2005, 09:44:36 AM »
I use to feel the same way about not knowing anyone close to me that had died, that is until 3 yrs ago mother passed away in spain due to breast cancer. Things will change the older you get I suppose.

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2005, 09:46:28 AM »
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I use to feel the same way about not knowing anyone close to me that had died, that is until 3 yrs ago mother passed away in spain due to breast cancer. Things will change the older you get I suppose.
yeah.. when my mother passed, i was thrown into a huge bout of depression. i was 29 and she died on her 55th birthday with no warning. that was like the king of all slaps to the face about death. now, am i numb to it or something? i dont know.
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2005, 09:49:41 AM »
Well I had some warning...she battled cancer for 8yrs & near the end everyone new it was near the end. Not sure it makes any difference at the end. During that 8 yrs though, was able to profoundly change perspectives for me & siblings, to that I am grateful.

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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2005, 10:59:41 AM »
Condolenses to your friend's family. Living is the process of dying.  you are now at 32 years of coming to understand that one day you will pass as well?  celebrate your friend's life and attend the funeral as a sign of friendship and support for her loved ones.  consider for yourself where the next transition will take you as that may well be the most important personal decision we all make.

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2005, 11:19:35 AM »
As everyone has said, it is something that you try to get used to.  Part of life is dying unfortunately.  I've lost all my grandparents, my father, uncles and aunts and many friends.  Even aquaintances deaths hurt a lot.  The last was a former work colleague at the end of last year.  He was in the RAF, 10 years my junior (I'm 32), everything ahead of him, was about to marry in a week and then he was killed in a car accident.  I can't imagine what his family went through, having the wedding presents bought and everything booked... it went through my mind a lot and it is something that you simply don't get used to.

The only thing I suggest is look at all the good things in both their and your lives.  Try and feel positive.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2005, 05:29:13 PM »
Sorry to hear of your loss JB73. I can definatley relate to the cancer thing. I see it on a daily basis.

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2005, 07:03:25 PM »
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but i am just feeling odd about it. someone i dated has passed away. it really makes me think about mortality. i don't know how to describe what i am thinking, it is just odd. in my 32 years on this planet i have known only 2 people relativly close that have died. this is the second. everyone else i know has gone to many funerals, and dealt with it. i just haven't "lost" anyone i really know closely.



A couple of months ago, one of my high-school friends died of a heart attack. It got me thinking of mortality as well.
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2005, 07:11:16 PM »
Sandy's an old fart now...he must've meant a friend that he went to high school with...back in the olden days.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2005, 10:42:08 PM »
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Sandy's an old fart now...he must've meant a friend that he went to high school with...back in the olden days.

yes back when the highschools had out houses

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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2005, 11:53:30 PM »
Hi JB,

The first time someone died whom I knew well was in highschool. Nice kid although both he and his brother were space cadets. He had brain cancer and everyone had been saying "he'll pull through, just wait and see" despite the fact that we could all see he was getting progressively worse till he was hospitalized for the last time.

When I was told he had died, I had no idea how to take it. I felt many things simultaneously, bad because I'd remembered making fun of him on a couple of occasions (and yes, before you ask, I was indeed a jerk) and because I realized deep down inside I still didn't care much about that or that he was dead, uncomfortable because death makes one feel uncomfortable and one instinctively wishes it would go away, irritated and aggressive because I'd didn't like to feel that way, and finally scared when I suddenly realized that it could have been me and I was frankly afraid of dying.

Eventually I forgot about it, and got back to my totally self-absorbed teenage lifestyle, but on reflection it was one of the first great "knock-knocks" in my life. These are times when for a brief moment, the eternal questions we desperately try to suppress, manage to break through the defensive clutter of temporal life. Our shield of invulnerability and self-importance is momentarily exposed as a sham, and generally people are made to feel "out of sorts" by it before they can manage to get their illusions nailed back into place again.

If I can give you any advice, it would be to not lose this opportunity (which is what I believe Storch was getting at). This experience  has taught you the somewhat uncomfortable and scary fact     that as Isaiah 40:6-7 puts it "All flesh is grass, And all its loveliness is like the flower of the field. The grass withers, the flower fades, Because the breath of the LORD blows upon it; Surely the people are grass." and should lead one to seriously reflect upon the consequences of what James said: "For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away."

I know others here will undoubtedly disagree, but for the living, these encounters with death should be a wake up call for us, they should teach us to number our days, to view them as a gift to be used aright, and not something to be squandered and taken for granted. They should cause us to reflect that so much of that which we spend our time squabbling over and killing ourselves and others to gain are really just handfulls of dust, and when we have realized that, to turn our eyes from the earth to the heavens.

I have never enjoyed funerals, and I still don't, even when I am sure of the departed's final destination. I cannot help but grieve with the grieving and lament that ultimately this thing death, is an enemy neither right nor good. But I must admit that it is sometimes easier to preach during a funeral than at any other time, for then I don't have to convince anyone that "it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment" they are generally reflecting on that already. In those moments I can simply give them the advice I have already followed to flee from the wrath to come to the solid rock that not even the storm of death can shake one loose from. (Luke 6:47-48)

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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2005, 11:59:29 PM »
Be grateful you don't know death as well as I. I lost my mother at age 5 to liver cancer. She was 44. My grandfather died several years later. Last year a friend I used to work with died of a rare form of cancer. She was 22. This year, another friend's father died of cancer and yet another friend lost her cousin and brother in a car wreck. They were 19 and 16, respectively.

I'm 21.

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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2005, 12:21:30 AM »
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Be grateful you don't know death as well as I. I lost my mother at age 5 to liver cancer. She was 44. My grandfather died several years later. Last year a friend I used to work with died of a rare form of cancer. She was 22. This year, another friend's father died of cancer and yet another friend lost her cousin and brother in a car wreck. They were 19 and 16, respectively.

I'm 21.


Just be greatful you don't know death as well as my wife does. She is a survivor of Pol Pots holocaust. She lost her father and old sister as a child. An old girlfriend of mine (yes I like asian chicks), lost her entirely family, her parents were decapitated in front of her at the age of 5, an older brother and sister were shot, another sister is "mia".

Given most of my "in-laws" are Cambodian I could go on for pages.But I won't, I will leave it you with a story of life... my wife has a niece (my wifes cousin's daughter) in Battambang, Cambodia, shes currently 12 years old.  She attended our wedding as flower girl in Phnom Penh some 6 years ago. 3 years ago her mother died brain anurism (well, thats our best guess). Within a year the father became an alcoholic, broke, and ran off. She now lives with my wifes grandmother, neither have any real source of income, my wife and my mother-in-law help by sending money.

My wife's grandmother does her best to look after the girl, but its not easy when you are over 80, especially in a 3rd world country. This girl is turning out to be quite pretty, and tall as well (unusual for cambodians). In all probability if she doesn't get kidnapped and forced into prositution (fairly common there) first, as she gets into her teens she will probably succumb to the easy money of prostition as its one of the few sources of income, and most likely become infected with HIV. She'll be lucky if she makes it to 30, and most likely live a fairly miserable life... this beautiful young girl that was a flower girl at my wedding.

If I remember I will post her picture her later tonight.

Be thankful of what you have, enjoy it while you can - there are things far worse than death in this world.

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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2005, 12:45:09 AM »
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My wife's grandmother does her best to look after the girl, but its not easy when you are over 80, especially in a 3rd world country. This girl is turning out to be quite pretty, and tall as well (unusual for cambodians). In all probability if she doesn't get kidnapped and forced into prositution (fairly common there) first, as she gets into her teens she will probably succumb to the easy money of prostition as its one of the few sources of income, and most likely become infected with HIV. She'll be lucky if she makes it to 30, and most likely live a fairly miserable life... this beautiful young girl that was a flower girl at my wedding.

If I remember I will post her picture her later tonight.


Serious question Vulcan, have you and your wife considered adopting her?

If that is impossible, I know of several childless couples here in the USA who would love to become her parents.

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