Author Topic: Who will win? (Read 383 times)

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **on:** June 28, 2005, 10:08:31 AM »

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160894,00.html

Recently I heard there was a company moving to AMD instead of Intel, forget who, as their primary chip supplier.

I never understood why companies like Best Buy (their poo line of budget PCs - EMachines) didn't get the AMD processor since it was cheaper. Unless of course the Intel processor was cheaper in bulk.

Or maybe Intel was giving kick backs. I'm looking at you MiniD, you need to stop pushing the little guy around!
-SW

Nilsen · « **Reply #1 on:** June 28, 2005, 10:19:17 AM »

Im moving to intel soon.. will i get a kickback?

Seriously, I see a very long process here. I don't doubt for a second that there are deals done under the table, but that is prolly the norm and this will be a long and possibly embarrasing process for the entire industry.

Boroda · « **Reply #2 on:** June 28, 2005, 12:29:51 PM »

Maybe I am a looser and don't have knowledge, but I have an experience.

I had only one Intel system myself since 1993, Slot1 Cel 300A -> 450MHz.

Started from Cyrix 486DLC, had all kinds of Cyrix/UMC/AMD CPUs.

The problem is that for my clients I usually advise Intel. My problems are my problems, but I need to make faultless systems for clients. AMD CPUs can be defective right out of the box. I never had any Intel CPUs that were sold already out of order.

Nilsen · « **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2005, 12:40:05 PM »

Isnt that a thing of the past boroda? I know there were some problems some years ago, but I think they got their production right.

I have never had an AMD myself, only intel and PPC.

Maverick · « **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2005, 12:42:41 PM »

I've had intel and AMD. Currently on AMD right now. Haven't had a bad one yet and they beat the pants off of intel for cost vs performance. FWIW they are both good, I just look for the best value.

Boroda · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2005, 12:49:21 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Nilsen
Isnt that a thing of the past boroda? I know there were some problems some years ago, but I think they got their production right.

I have never had an AMD myself, only intel and PPC.

Well, last time I encountered such a problem with AMD was in Sept. 2001. Took me almost a week to understand that it's a CPU fault, and about $150. The bloody Athlon 1000 simply hanged on Windows setup.

Before that I had same problems with K5-K6 series.

So - no, thanks. Like I refused from using any Western Digital HDDs after their wonderfull WDAC-21000 and 31600 series that costed me about $600 totaly, and at least three good clients, because sellers and service simply refused to give money back, and clients lost a lot of valuable data.

Another problem with AMD here is that 50% of people who assemble PCs simply can't install a cooler radiator on them without cracking the chip. At least with old Socket-462 CPUs. And a newbie who assembles a PC for himself will crack it for sure. Many people have their arms growing out of the place where "Back" loses it's noble name.

Torque · « **Reply #6 on:** June 28, 2005, 01:04:23 PM »

every amd chip i've bought ( i think 5 so far ) has o/c between 300-500 hz with np, with an asus mobo it's always just a few simple bios changes.

Raider179 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 28, 2005, 01:45:23 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Boroda
Well, last time I encountered such a problem with AMD was in Sept. 2001. Took me almost a week to understand that it's a CPU fault, and about $150. The bloody Athlon 1000 simply hanged on Windows setup.

Before that I had same problems with K5-K6 series.

So - no, thanks. Like I refused from using any Western Digital HDDs after their wonderfull WDAC-21000 and 31600 series that costed me about $600 totaly, and at least three good clients, because sellers and service simply refused to give money back, and clients lost a lot of valuable data.

Another problem with AMD here is that 50% of people who assemble PCs simply can't install a cooler radiator on them without cracking the chip. At least with old Socket-462 CPUs. And a newbie who assembles a PC for himself will crack it for sure. Many people have their arms growing out of the place where "Back" loses it's noble name.

K5 and K6's were notorious for being bad. I have my old puter with k63-450 around here and it had more errors than anything I have ever seen. Most of it I just chalked up to CPU error. (If I remember right it was a floating point error causing the problem with the K6's.

As for cooling the CPU, I am guessing you are talking about overclocking it since there is no other reason for a radiator. I always though overclocking would take away from the life of your computer so I don't recommend it. I still use AMD and think it outshines Intel and I think most of the comparisons will show AMD is now in the technological/cost lead.

Cheaper and more powerful, who wants Pentiums? lol

ok not always cheaper anymore. Thought i saw this. Still more powerful though..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8379873/

The FX-57 chip, the successor to the FX-55, comes with a faster processing speed and quicker links to memory. It is also the first of the FX line to be built with a 90-nanometer manufacturing process, AMD's most advanced. The company's benchmark tests put the chip about 7 percent faster than the FX-55.

The chip also puts AMD, which has traditionally played the part of lower-price rival to Intel Corp., in an unusual competitive position, since the chip is even more expensive than Intel's $999 Extreme Edition gaming processor

I have heard that this chip can be overclocked to 5+ GHZ

Furious · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2005, 02:07:23 PM »

I have only had one defective AMD processor. And that's only because I snapped in the half putting on an aftermarket HSF.

...still, they sent me a new even after I told them what happened.

beet1e · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2005, 02:16:05 PM »

I've had about four AMD processors - no problems with any of them., including an old K6-450 which I had to get when WB 2.6 came out.

Quote

Originally posted by Boroda
Another problem with AMD here is that 50% of people who assemble PCs simply can't install a cooler radiator on them without cracking the chip.

It's true, installation of the Heat Sink Fan could be enormously difficult on AMD processors. But the latest ones are much better. I built a system a few weeks ago with an AMD Athlon-64 on a Asus A8V mobo. The HSF supplied with the CPU had a nice lever arrangement, making it very easy to attach or detach. Much better than the days of having to force the spring down over three lugs, possibly damaging them in the process.

Sandman · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2005, 02:17:06 PM »

My first PC had a Pentium... every other one since then has been AMD... K62, K63, Athlons, etc.

I've had problems with mainboards, but never a problem with a CPU.

I'd read enough about AMD and heat issues that I always go a bit overboard on cooling... even now when the chips are relatively cool.

SOB · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2005, 05:10:05 PM »

I've always bought Intel, and will likely continue to always buy Intel, unless they somehow start lagging horribly behind. Previous reasoning, was just the lower quality of the other manufacturers, but beyond that, they pump enough money into the local enonomy, that I feel it's worth supporting 'em.

Boroda · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2005, 05:15:44 PM »

If I am the only person here who bought non-functional AMD CPUs - I envy you guys. Maybe it's because I now assemble maybe one machine weekly, and did up to 10 several years ago... Back in 1993 making a top PC brought us $500 for two persons...

In fact the only brand of CPUs that I have bought were AMDs

Overclocking is not an issue. At least when I make PCs for my clients. But on my own machines I usually squeeze every megahertz. But it's more like sport, not expecting any marvelous results. You'll laugh, but I am satisfied with Athlon-XP1600 both at work and at home. Funny but both chips are not oberclockable, I tried everything, including voltage and different multipliers

For myself - I'll probably never buy an Intel system. For clients - never buy AMD.

I didn't see any incompatibility of AMD CPUs, no bugs except in case it refuses to work from the very beginnng, at least at notma temperature and frequency.

Maybe we'll have an order from our scientists for 64bit AMD, but it still seems to us that a dual-CPU system will cost as 5-6 ordinary P4 in a cluster on gigabit ethernet, and that guys run cluster-friendly tasks. Anyway, could be interesting to do something like that.

We dismantled Convex C2 several months ago... As our scientists said it was faster then modern systems they had. But it costed millions in late-80s, when Academy could afford it.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #13 on:** June 28, 2005, 05:16:03 PM »

As a company, I have never liked Intel and never will. I have always thought thier CPU's were just good enough, with too much room for improvement.

That said, Intel is all I have ever used, up until Prescott. But I will not use AMD, so I am stuck right now.

FYI: They have not coerced Dell into using them exclusively. I got that from an AMD Process Manager.

NUTTZ · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2005, 06:04:11 PM »

I only use Intel, I find them more reliable.... with that said, I'm putting together a new comp, Intel chip, should I go with PCI express? Comp is for graphics and gaming.

NUTTZ
P.S. don't move me for hijacking, Skuzzy has a low attention span:)

Quote

Originally posted by Skuzzy
As a company, I have never liked Intel and never will. I have always thought thier CPU's were just good enough, with too much room for improvement.

That said, Intel is all I have ever used, up until Prescott. But I will not use AMD, so I am stuck right now.

FYI: They have not coerced Dell into using them exclusively. I got that from an AMD Process Manager.