BSE Question

[Ripper29]

Okay...without starting a flamefest...

Now that a cow has been identified in Texas that has been tested positive for BSE do you think that the Border should be opened to live Canadian cows (god knows we have enough of them)for export to the US.  If not, do you think it would then be reasonable for the Canadian Government to close the border to the import of live (or not) American cows?

[Gunslinger]

I think alot of the closing/opening should be done by the dept of experts that handle such issues.......not the politicians that weigh such issues for political gain/loss.

If a cow expert says there's no threat and he's backed up by alot more cow experts well then open the borders, lower the price of my steak.

PS pig farmers need to do better $2.79/lb for spare ribs is just too much.

[ygsmilo]

Originally posted by Ripper29


do you think that the Border should be opened to live Canadian cows (god knows we have enough of them)for export to the US.

Yes, the USDA should have been allowing feeder calfs in for the last year.  The USDA has a bunch of folks who just cannot accept the fact the someone has to take responsiblity and make a decison.



If not, do you think it would then be reasonable for the Canadian Government to close the border to the import of live (or not) American cows?

What I hope happens is that the Japanese say,,,, eeeh der Canadiansan why don't you EXPORT some beef to us,,,

[NUKE]

I'd say Canada has every right to ban the import of American cattle if they chose

I'm not to what extent which BSE has been found in Canadian cattle and the reasons for banning it's import.

[ygsmilo]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
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PS pig farmers need to do better $2.79/lb for spare ribs is just too much.

 

The pig boys are doing OK,,, while cutout values are of the highs that they were 2 months ago, they are still doing well.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by ygsmilo
The pig boys are doing OK,,, while cutout values are of the highs that they were 2 months ago, they are still doing well.

 I'll repeat  and Mr. Toad might agree with me.  $2.79/lb for spare ribs are way too expensive.

[Torque]

this is old news, the usda has been covering up bse cases for years now. with ten times more head of cattle in the states i would speculate that there are around 20-40 cases of bse there.

the border should have never been closed, the closing of it was a yk2 political fiasco and it caused undue suffering for many farmers.

[Masherbrum]

Beef.  It's What's for dinner.

Karaya

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Torque
this is old news, the usda has been covering up bse cases for years now. with ten times more head of cattle in the states i would speculate that there are around 20-40 cases of bse there.

And you have proof of this? I say you are full of beens, sir.

[rpm]

BSE can only occur if you are feeding cows their own Soylent Green. Corn, oats and cottonseed hulls are the way to go for fat, happy, BSE free beef.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Torque
this is old news, the usda has been covering up bse cases for years now. with ten times more head of cattle in the states i would speculate that there are around 20-40 cases of bse there.

the border should have never been closed, the closing of it was a yk2 political fiasco and it caused undue suffering for many farmers.

Bovine TB is plaguing the Deer herd because of whiney farmers.

Now, I want some PROOF of your allegations.

Karaya

[myelo]

Ripper, this case should not have anything to do with whether the US should lift the ban on Canadian cattle. This cow was 12 years old, which means she was likely infected prior to the 1997 ban on ruminant-to-ruminant feeding. But that’s currently still under investigation.

Regardless of this case though, the US should lift the ban. In fact, the USDA recommended resuming trade with Canada on cattle less than 30 months of age in March. That’s because their studies indicated Canada was taking appropriate measures to protect the food supply.

The problem is a Montana-based cattleman’s association filed a lawsuit blocking this action, primarily using unscientific scare tactics to support their claims. Several consumer groups have joined this lawsuit. The USDA has appealed the injunction and hearings are scheduled for later this month.

I think the ban will be lifted once this works its way through the courts.

As for Torque's comments, something smells ... and it's not a sick cow.

[Toad]

Recently paid $3.39 for pork baby backs which I think is a bit higher than the last couple of years. Used to be right at $2.99 I think.

I can still get all the plain old pork "spare ribs" I want at Sam's or Costco for about $1.89-1.99 which is up very slightly.

The whole point of BBQ (smoking, not grilling) is to take the cheaper cuts of meat and make them moist, tender, smokey and delicious.

Not nearly as much fun as when you have to smoke something that costs $5/lb.

It's a "beating the system" satisfaction, I guess. I bought some good briskets in the Spring for .99 a pound at a sale. They were excellent. Satisfying on the taste buds, satisfying on the "little guy wins" scale too.

[Torque]

it does smell like sour monsanto's milk.

Creekstone Farms and many other small farmers wanted to privately test all of the cattle they slaughters for bse, of course the usda would not allow that and subsequently banned them from doing so. is the usda in fear it would lose its grip on spin control and that the test results and samples won't have the habit of getting lost or coming back negative. 500 head of cattle a year showing signs of bse that are never tested, testing only downers, comon who's fooling who here?

regarding this current admin's history in the art of coverups, not much of a surprise tho. lester friedlanderdo will but i doubt ann veneman would submit to a lie dector test on the matter.

120 million head of cattle and no bse, you're living in a dreamland or just being naive.

you don't have to look very hard to find ex-usda whistleblowers.

here

here

hey it's only the meat you serve your kids, why should i care, right?

[myelo]

I actually disagree with the USDA’s stance on voluntary testing. There is no scientific justification for 100% testing and Creekstone and others want to use this as a marketing tool. But as long as they follow approved testing procedures I think they should be allowed to do that.

Originally posted by Torque
hey it's only the meat you serve your kids, why should i care, right?

Not a single case of variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease due to eating US beef. You're more likely to die from choking on a piece of tofu.