Friday Squad Operations July 1st canceled tonight.

[Dace]

Originally posted by elc7367b
In the famous words of Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?"

I was disappointed in not having FSO tonight.  But you know what?  Sometimes things happen that are out of our control.  I want to express my appreciation to all those involved in setting up and organizing these events.  Lord knows I would have a hard time doing it.  Would probably have everyone pissed off at me if I was responsible for it.


Any way, chill out, relax, get a cold one and raise it with me in honor of those that work so hard to provide us with a few hours of entertainment.

Thats All

Muttman
Sick Puppies

Well I'm glad to see not EVERYONE is pizzed at me.
I don't know how many times I can say I'm sorry. I also cant express how disappointed I am at not being able to fly.......
AT ALL right now. Let alone Friday. And for those that do not know .....my XO and I were not able to send or receive e-mail ALL WEEK ....I'm still not able to send for some reason....can recieve but not send... I tried my damndest and was thwarted my the luck bug at every turn. IT WAS NOT A MATTER PROCRASTINATION. I tried everything I could not to let you guys down. And will continue to do so.

~S~

[skernsk]

Things happen Dace, not sure what was going on at your end.  It happend, you apologized, apology accepted.  Get the orders out for next week and we can move on.  

The issue I have is with those who use this as an excuse to pick away at the CM's who are the driving force behind the squad-ops.  I wonder if sqwiggly can man up and apologize to the CM's for his out of line posts in this thread?

Better yet sqwiggly, write one up.  Plan three frames and lets see how much better you are.  C'mon, I dare you!  And you can bet your prettythang I will be going over it with a find tooth comb and picking apart your hard work.  Just so you know how it feels.  With your 18 posts you must be an expert in how the things are run.  Fool.....

[Skuzzy]

Squig, you want HTC involved?  Here is some involvement.

The people who stage these events work hard to bring them to the community. We try to provide the tools they need to make all this happen.

You outrage is not appreciated, nor welcome.  If you cannot accept the fact things happen in real life which will cause these things to happen, that is your problem.  However, it is completely unacceptable for you to take it out on the people who do give thier time to run and stage these events.

Think before you hit the submit button.  Being abusive to the people in this community will not solve a thing.  Nothing.  As such, there is no reason you can give for acting in the manner you are acting.
If you cannot discuss this in a civil manner, then I suggest you avoid posting.

[sqwiglly]

i have taken nothing out on the people in this community,i called one person a hack,thats all?you tellin me i cant speak my mind in here?ive tried to make some valid points in here about the problembs with tods and all anyone has to say is "owell,and the people behind the game work really hard"fine,dont like what i have to say then ill stop.im just not usually one to sit around and do nothing when something doesnt work.maybee thats what makes me a fool huh?

just answer me two things skuzzy.do you think tods is flawed in its setup,when one bad computer stops the whole event?
as squads do you feel we are worth your time to make it right?

hope that wasnt to abusive for ya.and yes,tere is a reason for me to be acting this way.im pissed off for wasteing my time for nothing,im not calling names,ive called no one a fool.im not abusive.i simply have opinions about how this is run.freedom of speach still exists doesnt it?i agree that you should not be goin off on someone in here in a derogatory manner,but i have not crossed the line of good taste.its just opinions

o.and kev,ya i thought you were someone else.

as for an appologie,i will apoologize to anyone who can tell me how i was abusive to them,i dont see it.i dont care that dace dropped the ball.i care that we have a system that allows one dropped ball to cancel the game,for those who missed it(reading comprehention is good)i salute all volunteers in this game.i am a volunteer as well and i know what we do.

and yes,i would love to run tods permanantly.
first thing i would do is get orders out by saturday and if squads didnt have orders ready by wednesday,i would do them for the side and not fly in it.
i would make it more stratagy based and bring the goons in.make it based more on tactics rater that a turky shoot.

for those who think i should just walk away if i dont like it,sorry,thats not the way i am.maybee your the type to take your ball and go home,but if i dont like the way the game is played,i try to fix it.if my suggestions are falling on def ears then i will stop trying to fix it and just enjoy the game as is.i do love the game and i thank htc for all thier hard work.its well worth my 15$ a month.i just know that if enough people ask for it they change it,yet tods is still the same and ive heard no plans of it being changed.

[skernsk]

Go for it squigg.  Lets get an event written up.  Historical planeset and terrain.  I as a long time SquadOp player will settle for nothing but 100% accuracy.

You can use the format that the REAL CM's use.  I used to write them and run them bro, so I know what kind of time and effort it takes.  You seem to think you are better organized and have it all figured out so I guess 24 hours should be plenty of time to get something written up.  Don't worry about planning each frame and the objectives just yet .. we'll pick apart the write-up, planeset, terrain and all that other fun stuff first.

Oh, and since you think having frame CO's is disorganized and poorly planned, I am curious as to how you are going to work out that aspect.  Looking forward to it though.

I'll even start a thread for you.....

[doobs]

A BIG thank you to all CM's, no matter what is said you guys do an outstanding job.

[BBQ_Bob]

Originally posted by skernsk
Go for it squigg.  Lets get an event written up.  Historical planeset and terrain.  I as a long time SquadOp player will settle for nothing but 100% accuracy.

You don't really think FSO is 100% accurate do you?  

[Wind]

sqwiglly,

I'm not sure what your problem is.  

This weekly event is put on by volunteers who spend a lot of time so you can participate.

What exactly did it cost you?  I see you complained about five hours of planning/preparation something...    Why the hell should you spend "five hours" training for a two hour event?  A couple practice runs would do.

This is a pre-registered "show up and fly what you are assigned" event.  

Do your squaddies agree with your "rant"?  

To keep this from happening again, are you willing to volunteer to be a part of the planning team?

[sqwiglly]

your absolutly right wind,i shoula just flew a couple of sorties instead of planning all the orders for the axis side in 2 days notice.

[Wind]

Originally posted by sqwiglly
your absolutly right wind,i shoula just flew a couple of sorties instead of planning all the orders for the axis side in 2 days notice.

Ahh, see!  There you go!

Now you are catching the spirit of the whole thing!

This is supposed to be fun!

When you have to piss, get outta the damn pool.  Don't ruin it for the rest of us who are willing to keep swimming.

W~

[damnname]

I'm not even sure where to start with this one.

I just have to say that we tried to hold this back a week! Then there would have been no Problem! This week and last week I am booked!!!!

Im Just miffed at the way the all went down.  I know everyone that is in and part of TOD's works hard to make things go smooth.  But this one didnt even hit the road!

I think Sqwig had a right to *****. And ~~FATE~~ did nothing wrong. We did our part.  

I'm going to look the orders back over and see if anything needs to be changed.

I could go on and on about eveything that was said here but Im in this game and TOD's for fun! and don't think 20 more post like this will help anyone!

[Kurt]

Originally posted by sqwiglly
i know this is all volunteers and life happens,but thats my point.why are we paying for something run by us?if one guys bad computer can jack it up for all of us then something is wrong with the system.as squads we are the bread and butter for this company,i dont think its too much to ask that they put a paid employee to make shure this is done right.

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb here and explain something to one of my supreme squad commanders (sqwig) and hopefully save everyone a little frustration trying to explain it.

First of all, this is the first time I've read this thread and I'm just going to give the straight up.

Sqwig, if HTC had to pay for people to run these events the cost of the overhead would come directly out of the development and infrastructure that runs this game.  You must understand that HTC is not a multi-national mega-corporation with endless resources.

In order to support an active community it is important to grow a volunteer force that will do the hard work for free.  Are we also going to lose our minds when a volunteer skinner makes a mistake on a paintjob?  I don't think so.

I realize you were frustrated with the cancellation on short notice and while you may not agree, I feel the explanation given was sufficient.  Nobody would have had fun flying against an effectively unarmed opponent, and the people flying on the otherside would certainly not have enjoyed flying with no plan due to the failure of someone not even in their own squad.

Had the cancellation happened when another squad was running it I'm certain you wouldn't have been this ticked off but being part of a team means we rise and fall together... We accept the role of the leader and the planner and that means that we have to be prepared when the plan is cancelled.  Yes, it sucks.  And apparently it was the failure of one person... But that person was not the CM Team... It was the leader of the opposing team.

[38ruk]

Dace and CM's . reading the whole thread i was just going to shake my head and move on, but i felt that i should atleast thank the guys that give up their free time to set up FSO . Life happens , some people are just alittle too high strung .   38MAW