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« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2005, 07:44:33 PM »
I can't resist 5" guns. And you haven't lived 'till you beat up a task group on your own from 15 klicks away...
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« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2005, 04:17:22 AM »
Finished.  
Started today with 2 5 kill p-40b sorties.
My stats:

A6M-2 = 18/7
P-40B = 13/4
109E = 10/8
Hurri1 = 10/2
C202 = 10/0
Spit1 = 10/5

Total = 71/26
K/D = 2.73
2.73 x 71 =193.88
Score = 193.88

Sirloin and I are less than 1 point apart!  (based on his score above)

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« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2005, 04:30:13 AM »
WTG!


You guys are scary with stats like that. Wow.
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« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2005, 01:02:00 AM »
I failed.  :(

A6M2 - 15/15

Bf 109E-4 - 10/11

C.202 - 6/25

Hurricane MkI - 9/13

P-40B - 9/11

Spitfire MkI - 9/4

Total  - 58/79 but didnt make the minimum in 4 of the 6 categories.  Oversight on my part, I thought I had enough kills in the Spitfire and P40, and I didnt add right in the Hurricane.  

The C.202 was just abysmal.  If assists counted, I'd be looking much better.  I had 6 assists in the C.202, most of which I chewed the heck out of my opponents who then flew away with maybe an oil leak or something minor and someone else killed them.  3 of the 6 kills I did get were proxies though, so I guess it partially balances out.  It was just very frustrating to watch all those lovely hit sprites and not see any damage occur except an occaisonal flap or oil hit or fuel hit.  I'd try to concentrate fire on one wing, then move to the cockpit/engine area, then the other wing, hoping to do some lasting damage.  On the other hand, the plane is a joy to fly, and I was able to hang with just about anyone in anything unless they started with a big advantage in E states.  It climbs like a scalded monkey, turns as well as a 109, and accelerates fast enough to keep up with far faster planes in a dive.  

The 4x.303s on the SpitV and even the 2x.50s on the SpitIX do way more damage with far less trouble.  No wonder the 202 has so few fans.  They all committed suicide after flying it.

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« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2005, 10:41:41 AM »
OK, eskimo, were real curious how the contest turned out.

Stupid me didnt do any kills in the other planes - stayed in Hurri the whole tour. Loved it too much to swich ;). So i guess this is out of contest:



K/D: 0.66

I found out the Hurri Mk1 isnt all that 'worthless' after all. Even got a F4U1C once. He wasnt all too happy about getting killed by a Hurri, Mk1 none the less.

My overall experience this tour was a very positive one. Found many great fights ( to all that had to surrender to my 303 peppering and to those that kept hunting me down), wich i enjoyed immensly. This made up for the everyday frustration of having a6ms and Lancasters outrun you (not to speak of La7) and getting assist after assist cause a well meaning friendly helped you with the spit you have been fighting with for five minutes.


Thank you Eskimo, for bringing those 'underdogs' in the limelight for at least one tour. Lets hope well see at least a few of them regularly in MA.
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« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2005, 11:54:08 AM »
The new tour has started and the Tour 66 stats are now history and locked.

Post your stats & scores!

Mine are the same as above:

A6M-2 = 18/7
P-40B = 13/4
109E = 10/8
Hurri1 = 10/2
C202 = 10/0
Spit1 = 10/5

Total = 71/26
K/D = 2.73
2.73 x 71 =193.9
Score = 193.9

So far, Sirloin has the lead:

A6M-2 = 19/17
P-40B = 14/2
109E = 11/0
Hurri1 = 13/11
C202 = 23/3
Spit1 = 10/6

Total = 90/39
K/D = 2.3
2.308 x 90 = 207.7
Score = 207.7

If you participated, please post your stats & scores even if your score is not higher than Sirloin’s.

I’ll wait 2 or 3 days before declaring the winner, just in case someone else participated but has been quietly lurking in the background.

Thanks for participating,

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« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2005, 12:21:21 PM »
StarOfAfrica,

This contest nearly became drudgery after awhile.  I was very surprised that my worst plane was one that I expected to do my best in; the 109E.  I account much of my difficulty to bad luck and bad timing.  Several sorties were spent trying to defend a base against several fighters, bombers and GVs while outnumbered greatly; I guess I just had too high an expectation in it because it feels an awful lot like the 109F.  I found myself in a bad situation nearly every time I went up in that thing.  I did manage to destroy a flight of 3 Lancasters in the air though; I think I made every 20mm count on that sortie.

The 202 is the assist master.  The only way I can get kills in it is at 100 yards in a deflection shot.  The Spit 1 and Hurri 1 are about the same, you’ve got to get close or the bullets only warn and annoy.  The 202 does fly better than the other 5 though.  If the 202 had a single 20mm Hispano with 120 rounds instead of those Italian BB guns, it would be one of the best planes in the game.



Schatzi,

LOL!  That has got to be an MA Hurri-1 record!  In tour 63 it had 255 kills and 896 deaths.  You got nearly half as many kills in it by yourself with a decent K/D.  WTG!  This tour it earned 487 kills at the cost of 1069 deaths.  That had to have been somewhat boosted by this contest, especially your contribution.

Thanks for your participation guys; it was a fun experiment/experience.

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« Reply #67 on: August 02, 2005, 12:43:01 PM »
Just for yucks, here are some "Worthless Planes" arena stats:

Tour 63 “Base Comparison Tour”

Model …   Kills /    Deaths ->   Kills / Deaths + 1
A6M2 …    680 /    1497 ->   0.4539
Bf 109E-4 …   228 /    613 ->   0.3713
C.202 …   251 /    743 ->   0.3374
Hurricane Mk I …   255 /    896 ->   0.2843
P-40B …   336 /    1133 ->   0.2963
Spitfire Mk I …   282 /    1302 ->   0.2164
Total: …   2032 / 6184 -> 0.328
 
Tour 66 “Worthless Planes Tour”

Model …   Kills /    Deaths ->   Kills / Deaths + 1
A6M2 …   799 /    1558 ->    0.5125
Bf 109E-4 …   275 /    626 ->   0.4386
C.202 …   270 /    662 ->   0.4072
Hurricane Mk I …   487 /    1069 ->   0.4551
P-40B …   225 /    800 ->   0.2809
Spitfire Mk I …   258 /    1012 ->   0.2547
Total: …   2314 / 5727 ->0.404

Overall, the Hurri-1 and A6M-2 were used significantly more this tour.  Most K/Ds were significantly higher this tour, as was the overall combined Worthless Planes K/D.

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« Reply #68 on: August 02, 2005, 01:57:02 PM »
Just for a little comparison.....

Normally I would only fly the A6M in a base defense scenario.  I love the way it handles, but it's really not an MA plane.  It's too fragile, and way too slow.  Flying it on some of the maps we've had this past month, you really have to go some distance to hunt for kills.  NOT a role this plane is suited to in the MA.  It has great range, but at those speeds if the enemy is more than half a sector away, I might as well go make coffee.  Heck, I can even grind the beans for the coffee, and still be back before I get anywhere near a red plane.

The 109E is a great ride.  The problem is, just like when I fly the F-4, people see "109" and gang you.  I guess they automatically assume its a G10 or something, and must be a threat.  In a 1 vs 1 co-alt, I'd take on just about anything in the arena in a 109E.  I actually find the wing mounted 20mm's easier to shoot at a convergence point, whereas the nose mounted guns on the others make hitting the target problematic without lots of experience.  Climb and acceleration are similar to the 109F, turn performance actually seems a bit better.

The C.202 I normally wouldnt fly, except in scenarios or snapshots.  Against period planes it's a champion.  In the MA it's dogmeat.  It's easily as fast and nimble as any of the 109s, and actually seems a bit easier to handle.  The guns just purely stink.  I can get more kills with the BBs in a Val than I can with whatever they loaded the C.202 with.

The Hurri MkI has been a favorite of mine ever since the Rangoon scenario.  In AW I always favored the Hurri MkIIb (I thank Manx for that, he turned me on to the Hurricane way back when), and if it weren't for the engine cut out on the MkI I'd fly it more often.  It's more nimble than the MkIIc we have, and the 8x.303s will shred planes if you get them into convergence range.  If HTC models a MkIIb when they redo the Hurricanes, I'm there.  :)

The P-40B is an incredible little plane.  If it had WEP I'd fly it all the time.  Only its slow acceleration and climb keep it from being one of my top 5 rides.  I'll keep hoping when HTC remodels the P-40, we get a P-40N as well.  Some of the best fights I've had in the MA have been in a P-40.  And I know there are guys out there that can make it perform far better than I.  I've seen Shane do things with a P-40 that defy logic.  

Funny enough, my best K/D ratio was in the Spit MkI.  It was my least favorite plane to fly in this group.  It rolls like a pig in thick mud.  It looks and feels like it weighs way more than the others, and yet it performs.  Rolling the Spit I is more like a total body workout.  It requires a great deal of coordination between rudders and ailerons and elevators to make that pig perform well, but I've used it with great success against all the other model spits.  The key with it is looooooooooong climb outs and having plenty of alt when you engage.  As long as I can work around onto another spits 6, I can stick and get the kill.  It amazed me every time, but they couldnt out turn me, couldnt out dive me.......and they certainly couldnt force an overshoot.  Maybe its just that all the newbs fly Spit V's and Spit IX's, and I ran into them.  This thing bleeds E like crazy with just a little encouragement.  Either I am very lucky every time I get in it, or this thing just plain fools you into thinking it's worse than it really is.


Great contest.  :)
« Last Edit: August 02, 2005, 02:13:31 PM by StarOfAfrica2 »

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« Reply #69 on: August 02, 2005, 05:50:58 PM »
My stats are only marginally diffrent from the ones posted above, it is

A6m2 10/16
109E4 14/16
C202 11/24
Hurricane mk 1 10/8
P40B 10/17
Spitfire mk1 12/14

Total of 67/95

0.705 x 67 = 47,235

Score of 47,235

Edit: i recalculated, did calculate wrong the last time sorry. total of 47,235
« Last Edit: August 02, 2005, 05:57:59 PM by Schutt »

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« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2005, 07:18:15 PM »
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My stats are only marginally diffrent from the ones posted above, it is

A6m2 10/16
109E4 14/16
C202 11/24
Hurricane mk 1 10/8
P40B 10/17
Spitfire mk1 12/14

Total of 67/95

0.705 x 67 = 47,235

Score of 47,235

Edit: i recalculated, did calculate wrong the last time sorry. total of 47,235


I'm surprised that anyone's worst plane would be the 202; what gave you the most trouble with it?  (I'm guessing the guns.)

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« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2005, 12:40:42 AM »
Getting vulched and flying afk.

Also i had a bad day and slammed some into the grass on the dive to my first engagement.

Oh and i attacked bombers... the guns are pretty weak for that.

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« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2005, 03:25:30 PM »
The winner will be named tomorrow.  Post your score if you participated.

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« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2005, 03:35:13 PM »
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I'm surprised that anyone's worst plane would be the 202; what gave you the most trouble with it?  (I'm guessing the guns.)

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i get my butt kicked in the 202 wherever i go lol. can't shoot crap, and get b-n-z'ed by everything in existance
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« Reply #74 on: August 04, 2005, 05:13:15 PM »
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i get my butt kicked in the 202 wherever i go lol. can't shoot crap, and get b-n-z'ed by everything in existance


The 202 does suck, but IMO it's better than the Spit-I, Hurri-I, P-40B, A6M-2 & 109E-4.