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Offline Raider179

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« Reply #270 on: July 17, 2005, 11:56:39 AM »
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Well maby wacko idiots is a bit strong,tone that down to hyped up numb nuts and I think Im in that catagory:D


Spin this then Dea.

WASHINGTON - White House political aide Karl Rove was the first person to tell a Time magazine reporter that the wife of a prominent critic of the Bush administration's Iraq policy was a CIA officer, the reporter said in an article Sunday.

Time correspondent Matthew Cooper said he told a grand jury last week that Rove told him the woman worked at the "agency," or CIA, on weapons of mass destruction issues, and ended the call by saying "I've already said too much."

He said Rove did not disclose the woman's name, Valerie Plame, but told him information would be declassified that would cast doubt on the credibility of her husband, former diplomat Joseph Wilson, who had charged the Bush administration with exaggerating the threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction programs in making its case for war.


So did Rove leak Plame's name to me, or tell me she was covert? No. Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him? Yes. Did Rove say that she worked at the 'agency' on 'WMD'? Yes," Cooper wrote in Time's current edition.

"When he said things would be declassified soon, was that itself impermissible? I don't know. Is any of this a crime? Beats me," Cooper wrote.

He also wrote that he was not certain what Rove meant by commenting he had already said too much.

A top Cheney aide was also among the sources, the Cooper said Sunday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8605680/

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« Reply #271 on: July 17, 2005, 12:18:48 PM »
Im not trying to spin anything.Thats an intresting artical.
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« Reply #272 on: July 17, 2005, 12:43:17 PM »
Might not be a chargable offense, except if he lied to the FBI, the Martha Stewart charge. But he should resign....

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« Reply #273 on: July 28, 2005, 11:15:25 PM »
More information coming in....

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Aug. 1 issue - A deal that special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald cut last year for NBC "Meet the Press" host Tim Russert's testimony may shed light on the emerging White House defense in the Valerie Plame leak case. The agreement between Fitzgerald and NBC avoided a court fight over a subpoena for Russert's testimony about his July 2003 talk with Dick Cheney's top aide, Lewis (Scooter) Libby. The deal was not, as many assumed, for Russert's testimony about what Libby told him: it focused on what Russert told Libby. An NBC statement last year said Russert did not know of Plame, wife of ex-ambassador Joseph Wilson, or that she worked at the CIA, and "he did not provide that information to Libby."

This now appears significant: in pursuing Russert's testimony, Fitzgerald was testing statements by White House aides—reportedly including Libby—that they learned about Wilson's wife from reporters, not classified documents. Libby's lawyer did not respond to requests for comment. A source close to Karl Rove, who requested anonymity because the FBI asked participants not to comment publicly, says the White House aide—who passed info about Wilson's wife to Time's Matt Cooper—only knew about her CIA job from either a reporter or "somebody" who heard it from a reporter; he can't remember which or who. Rove did not initially discuss his talk with Cooper with the FBI, but later volunteered info about it and called agents' attention to a subpoenaed e-mail he had written to national-security aide Stephen Hadley mentioning the conversation, the source said.

The emerging White House defense is important in light of recent attention on a classified State Department memo that had key info about Wilson's wife. The memo, dated June 10, 2003, was labeled top secret at the top of the first page; a paragraph referring to "Valerie Wilson" at the CIA had the letters snf in front of it, for "Secret No Foreign," meaning the info is secret and can't be shared with any foreign national, says a government official who reviewed it but asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the material. The memo was taken by Secretary of State Colin Powell aboard Air Force One during a trip to Africa in July 2003, and Fitzgerald has questioned White House aides about who saw it. Fitzgerald has been said to be investigating whether any aides violated the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act—which makes it a felony to disclose the identity of a covert CIA employee: it requires showing the violator knew the agent's undercover status. (The State memo makes no reference to that.) But the CIA's initial "crimes report" to the Justice Department requesting the leak probe never mentioned that law, says a former government official who requested anonymity because of the confidential material involved. Fitzgerald may be looking at other laws barring the disclosure of classified info or the possibility that current or former White House aides made false statements or obstructed justice.

So it looks like Fitzgerald is after whoever read the Memo and then leaked Valerie's name, not because she was an operative but on the sole reason the memo was marked "secret"

I really hope they get to the bottum/top of this soon. I find it an impossibility that KR "cant remember" who told him about Valerie. He might not have been the source but he is protecting someone and did "verify" her identity to Matt Cooper.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8682500/site/newsweek/

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« Reply #274 on: July 29, 2005, 02:15:25 AM »
My guess:

Miller heard it from Bolton. It found its way to Cooper, who then used Rove et al as a fact checker. Rove confirmed it, and in light of it being in the hands of a few members of the press, passed it along to Novak and took a "she's now fair game" posture.

It would explain why Cooper got released from keeping his source, but Miller didn't. The sources were two different people. I don't think Miller is protecting anybody but herself. She's in as much trouble as Bolton, Rove and Libby.

This of course could all be cleared up rather easily, with Bush demanding that Rove tell him exactly what went down, and then stating it to the public. Nothing to it.

Why that isn't happening is because this whole thing, as serious as it is, is far less serious than what it ultimately leads to. It is the initial frayed thread that threatens to unravel the administration's blatent lying to the public about the war.

We're only a half a year in. Three and a half to go. This is gonna be some term.

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« Reply #275 on: July 29, 2005, 06:40:43 AM »
lol

beat that dead horse, it's all you got

lol lol lol
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« Reply #276 on: July 29, 2005, 08:10:15 AM »
You think this is funny?
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« Reply #277 on: July 29, 2005, 08:43:32 AM »
I think it is so desperate it is hilarious
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« Reply #278 on: July 29, 2005, 09:06:39 AM »
The CIA asked for this investigation. What exactly do you think the CIA was desperate about when it did this? Where are you getting "desperate" from?

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« Reply #279 on: July 29, 2005, 09:11:21 AM »
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You think this is funny?


Yea I know I do.  every time the Dems have a straw to grasp at they end up tripping over it
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« Reply #280 on: July 29, 2005, 09:23:39 AM »
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Yea I know I do.  every time the Dems have a straw to grasp there the end up tripping over it


Oh yea, this "political explosion" is looking like a fire cracker in a tin can.

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« Reply #281 on: July 29, 2005, 12:09:10 PM »
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Yea I know I do.  every time the Dems have a straw to grasp at they end up tripping over it


What's funny is how you lable anyone that thinks the Bush administration is bellybutton as a "Dem".  Which, for example, is impossible for Nash to be.

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« Reply #282 on: July 29, 2005, 03:32:43 PM »
I think its funny that you hardcore conservatives label anyone who doesnt like bush a democrat or a liberal.  I also find it slightly amusing that you think an investigation into who leaked either classified or secret documents to the media is "grasping as straws".

Also dont forget KR lied to the FBI which is what Martha Stewart did, or do you think only people who don't know GWB personally should be convicted of crimes.

I have heard of some double standards but its getting ridiculous. I was reading about watergate last night and I am not gonna be surprised if years down the road a lot of information comes to light on this administrations "manipulation" of the American People. Look at what is all ready out there and you know there is more coming.

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« Reply #283 on: July 29, 2005, 06:06:34 PM »
Raider it is grasping at straws,

every time you liberals/dems ( I say this because the majority of the time it is a liberal or a dem accept it allready) get a new wind of something that may sound even rmotly fishy or even unconvicing you scream and jump up and down and thus starts the political leg humping and frothing.

In addition you decry something when you do the same thing.  "hardcore conservatives"  Many of us are libertarions and REALLY hate liberals while we just disagree with republicans.



You guys want Rove to go down so bad that you will beleive anything you read and agree with any negative slightly plausible but yet unconfirmed story about this UNCONVICTED UNINDICTED charged with nothing political adviser of a person you hate.

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Arent you doing the same here????

Cmon it's just that obvious.  You guys will beleive anything about this guy and you want it all to be true and so damaging so bad.  

Just re-read through this entire thread and hear the tone of the Rove haters change as new news that confirmed fact gets released.  you can almost sense the sadness and resenment in the posts.

Alot of us "neo-cons" or those that have been defending Rowe have said we will stand behind this guy until there is actual evidence of guilt WICH THERE HAS BEEN NONE SO FAR!

If the guys guilty so be it.  Send him to jail.  I will be dissapointed in this administration but that's it.  You guys will jump for joy that you "nailed another one"  hooray! ! !

Re-read this thread......see the tone change in Democratic politicians who have publicly spoken about rove and this event.  It is clearly evident that they were grasping at what ever wrong they could and this "political explosion" so far has been a fizzle
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« Reply #284 on: July 29, 2005, 07:56:25 PM »
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Raider it is grasping at straws,

every time you liberals/dems ( I say this because the majority of the time it is a liberal or a dem accept it allready) get a new wind of something that may sound even rmotly fishy or even unconvicing you scream and jump up and down and thus starts the political leg humping and frothing.

In addition you decry something when you do the same thing.  "hardcore conservatives"  Many of us are libertarions and REALLY hate liberals while we just disagree with republicans.



You guys want Rove to go down so bad that you will beleive anything you read and agree with any negative slightly plausible but yet unconfirmed story about this UNCONVICTED UNINDICTED charged with nothing political adviser of a person you hate.

 Arent you doing the same here????

Cmon it's just that obvious.  You guys will beleive anything about this guy and you want it all to be true and so damaging so bad.  

Just re-read through this entire thread and hear the tone of the Rove haters change as new news that confirmed fact gets released.  you can almost sense the sadness and resenment in the posts.

Alot of us "neo-cons" or those that have been defending Rowe have said we will stand behind this guy until there is actual evidence of guilt WICH THERE HAS BEEN NONE SO FAR!

If the guys guilty so be it.  Send him to jail.  I will be dissapointed in this administration but that's it.  You guys will jump for joy that you "nailed another one"  hooray! ! !

Re-read this thread......see the tone change in Democratic politicians who have publicly spoken about rove and this event.  It is clearly evident that they were grasping at what ever wrong they could and this "political explosion" so far has been a fizzle


Oh ok I guess I shouldnt express my opinion of the situation... please

Do you deny there is an investigation underway? That my friend is not grasping at straws. All I want to know is who they are after and for what charge. Sorry but all the info points to someone in the administration leaking secret information. Guess that's not a big deal...

I decryed "hardcore conservatives" in response only.

Like I said guess I cant express my opinion on the situation without being some kind of pre-judger. lol Well guess what I am looking at the evidence (that is known) and making judgements so say what you want, I only represent myself in the situation not the American Public or the Liberals or anyone besides myself, and I am allowed to judge and make accusations. Note that I always provide links and what I consider evidence of my judgements. I cant say the same for most posters.

Again you ask for evidence and I point you to the same charge that got Martha stewart time in jail. Lying to the FBI, but dodge that too when you answer posts.

Oh let me pity poor KR.  The dems just have it in for him. Come on Matt Cooper admits KR told him about Valerie Plume working for the CIA and on WMD. He stated that. Its not heresay. KR does not deny it.

But I will wait to see your response on KR lying to the FBI before I respond more.