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« Reply #330 on: July 30, 2005, 06:49:27 PM »
Maybe the same reason British Intel stands by the story?
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« Reply #331 on: July 30, 2005, 06:52:40 PM »
Well the British intel thinks it's true. The Bush admin knew it wasn't.

Are you trying to say that the Bush admin thinks its true and knew it wasn't all at the same time?

I don't get your question, and you still haven't answered mine.

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« Reply #332 on: July 30, 2005, 06:58:57 PM »
So by your logic then...British intellegence is lying.  After all, they think it's true, but they know it's false.
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« Reply #333 on: July 30, 2005, 07:01:11 PM »
No - that's not what I said at all.

Blair stands by it, but Bush knew it was false. He was practically begged not to say it.

But he said it anyways.

Why, Holden? Why do you think he did that?

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« Reply #334 on: July 30, 2005, 07:04:29 PM »
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Blair stands by it, but Bush knew it was false.


So... then... Blair must be an idiot....  I mean to stand by something so obviously false...
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« Reply #335 on: July 30, 2005, 07:05:15 PM »
Why do you think he did that?

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« Reply #336 on: July 30, 2005, 07:10:26 PM »
because... Blair is lying to himself, but I do not have any information on what kind of deep seeded emotional problems he may have.. Probably stems from childhood.

I mean to believe such obvious falsehoods...
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« Reply #337 on: July 30, 2005, 07:14:27 PM »
I have not seen British intelligence standying by this peice of info. Only Blair does as far as I know. And he more stands by the dossier it was contained in, rather than the actual info on yellow cake.

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« Reply #338 on: July 30, 2005, 07:16:38 PM »
So Blair has no information on this and yet continues to stand by it? :eek:
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« Reply #339 on: July 30, 2005, 07:21:39 PM »
You think that saying something and believing something are the same thing? And you think that about a politician? Are you kidding me?

I'm not asking about Blair. No, the same question I've asked a half dozen times is:

Why did the president take the time to repeat a claim he knew was false?

You pipe in all "just a small aside".... Like "Well, not a big deal here or anything, but he wasn't lying." Then you want to dance with me or something?

I really don't get some people. It is as if words were of no consequence anymore. As if support were of no consequence and by extension even action is of no consequence. Like you'll work it all out later in the mix or something.

I'm completely at a loss.

You brought it up, Holden. You said:

"What Bush said was "British intellegence reports that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake.."

Now what I'm asking is; why do you think that Bush said this when his own people were telling him that it simply wasn't true?

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« Reply #340 on: July 30, 2005, 07:32:42 PM »
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So Blair has no information on this and yet continues to stand by it? :eek:


My understanding of it is that Blair says there is confirmation from another source (outside of the Dossier) but he wont reveal the source. Its really insignifigant what blair thinks though. Its about the administration knowing the info was bad or at least questionable enough to not go into the State of the Union and using it regardless. It shows a pattern.

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« Reply #341 on: July 30, 2005, 07:32:51 PM »
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"What Bush said was "British intellegence reports that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake.."


British Intellegence does report that and they stand by still  AFAIK and as far as Google takes me today.

Bush said "British Intel says" and British Intel does say that.
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« Reply #342 on: July 30, 2005, 07:36:22 PM »
Holy smokes.

Know what? Forget it.

I don't blame ya. Like you have any choice but to dodge.

 I wouldn't know what to say myself. Of course, in that case, I wouldn't be trying to say anything.

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« Reply #343 on: July 30, 2005, 07:40:19 PM »
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British Intellegence does report that and they stand by still  AFAIK and as far as Google takes me today.

Bush said "British Intel says" and British Intel does say that.


This is after of Course Wilson told him it was false.

In an interview on NBC, Wilson insisted his doubts about the purported Iraq-Niger connection reached the highest levels of government, including Vice President Dick Cheney's office.

In fact, he said, Cheney's office inquired about the purported Niger-Iraq link.

"The question was asked of the CIA by the office of the vice president. The office of the vice president, I am absolutely convinced, received a very specific response to the question it asked, and that response was based upon my trip out there," Wilson said.

Yet nearly a year after he had returned and briefed CIA officials, the assertion that Saddam was trying to obtain uranium from Africa was included in Mr. Bush's State of the Union address.

The International Atomic Energy Agency told the United Nations in March — after the State of the Union — that the information about the uranium procurement efforts was based on forged documents.

A British parliamentary committee concluded Monday that Prime Minister Tony Blair's government mishandled intelligence material on Iraqi weapons — and said key questions remain about the allegations of an attempted uranium deal with Nigeria.

On Monday, the Foreign Affairs Committee said Blair "misrepresented" the status of a dossier published in January.

Blair had referred to it as "further intelligence," although he acknowledged later that it contained material from a graduate thesis published on the Internet.

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« Reply #344 on: July 30, 2005, 07:50:32 PM »
I was not dodging.  A = B, B =C, therefore A = C

You have taken conflicting information and with that you have determined that Bush was not just wrong, but he lied.

I pulled out a certain verifiable statement from the SOTU and even though the statement is a verifiable truth, you claim it is a lie.  The truth is that Bush made a truthful claim that BI did say that.

You claim that because conflicting reports exist whether SH attempted to get yellowcake from Niger, this proves that Bush lied.

It does not prove that.  It proves there are conflicting reports.

If it proved that, Blair would have didtanced himself from the statement.

You have made a decision on what is the truth based on faulty intellegence.  You are guilty of the same mistake you critisize Bush for.
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