Author Topic: P51 FM Changes? (Read 1575 times)

lasersailor184 · « **on:** July 03, 2005, 10:21:24 AM »

Will the p51's FM's become better or worse?

And based off of known statistics, what *Should* happen to the P51 and how should it be different?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #1 on:** July 03, 2005, 10:52:43 AM »

Where do you get that HTC plans to change the P-51 flight model? Did I miss something? The development update states that the next patch improves the graphics model for P-51s and P-47s.

-- Todd/Leviathn

SkyChimp · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2005, 12:10:19 PM »

Well im thinkin the would well the dm anways lol.

I Hope they change the flight mod.

Morpheus · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2005, 12:13:38 PM »

Why do you hope they change the FM?

You people are really something. Not once did HT or Pyro say anything about FM changes in the P51D.

So I'll ask again, why?

Why do you think it needs to be changed. What proof do you have that says it is not accurate?

Alky · « **Reply #4 on:** July 03, 2005, 01:19:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus

You people are really something. Not once did HT or Pyro say anything about FM changes in the P51D.

So I'll ask again, why?

Why you ask?
Because it needs to go faster than a Lala, have 4 Hispanos with 500 rounds each, turn like a Spitfire and be made of 3/8 plate steel, and have dive brakes.
I can't believe that's not obvious to you!!

Stang · « **Reply #5 on:** July 03, 2005, 01:20:25 PM »

It is not the totally uber tie-fighter they think it should be.

1K3 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 03, 2005, 02:20:46 PM »

The P-51 has the correct FM modeling so far...

Other planes in AH have minor bugs... it vexes me!

For example, Spitfire 1a shows it has +12 max power @ WEP but it does not deliver the actual power (we are still stuck with AH spit 1 speed and climb)

Fw-190A-5 (looooooooong debated in this forum lol) has incorrect ata guage setting (try to compare EB6 and the guage and you'll see). AH 190A-5 is missing 12mph deck speed and its suppose to have lower climb rate at med-hi alt (refer to the RLM 190A-5 and see...)

Kweassa · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2005, 05:55:51 PM »

Well, perhaps it's got something to do with new, updated 3D models also receiving some kind of revision or light changes with their introduction.

I'm not quite sure as to why some of you are reacting in a neuro-psychotic way to a simple question lasersailor asked.

What are you, anti-whine suppression task force or something?

hitech · « **Reply #8 on:** July 03, 2005, 06:38:15 PM »

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Will the p51's FM's become better or worse?

This is a loaded question. It assumes from the start that the 51 would change, and we have said nothing about changing it, nore do I know of any planes to change it.

JB42 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 03, 2005, 06:49:25 PM »

What about drag from ord racks? I was told (because i never did the testing myself) that there were some changes in the 190s and how they performed with/without ord hardpoints.

Grits · « **Reply #10 on:** July 03, 2005, 08:27:28 PM »

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Originally posted by JB42
What about drag from ord racks? I was told (because i never did the testing myself) that there were some changes in the 190s and how they performed with/without ord hardpoints.

They did change, I was the one that tested that. I believe that HT or Pyro have said that all planes that get updated to the 2.0 3D model will have the drag of the ord pylons added. I have not tested it, but that means the P-38's should be slower after dropping ord than if they launch light, just like the 190's.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #11 on:** July 04, 2005, 09:00:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Well, perhaps it's got something to do with new, updated 3D models also receiving some kind of revision or light changes with their introduction.

I'm not quite sure as to why some of you are reacting in a neuro-psychotic way to a simple question lasersailor asked.

What are you, anti-whine suppression task force or something?

Amen Kwe. Peace Bro's
It would be ok if it didnt sound so chest puffing condescending.
I hear it now. In the voice of Heeere I come to save the Daayyyy!

Widewing · « **Reply #12 on:** July 04, 2005, 10:10:10 AM »

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Originally posted by JB42
What about drag from ord racks? I was told (because i never did the testing myself) that there were some changes in the 190s and how they performed with/without ord hardpoints.

There is a measurable loss of speed when using bomb racks in the 190 aircraft, about 5 to 6 mph as far as I can tell.

All flight data commonly published for the P-51D includes the wing pylons. These were OEM, not added in the field and not something generally removed.

If you research the P-47, you will find that the P-47D-25-RE was delivered with pylons. These resulted in a 6 to 8 mph loss in speed. They were, however, easily removed. A P-47D-23-RE, minus the wing pylons, pulled 434.6 mph at best altitude. With the pylons, speed fell to 427.3 mph.

As we are about to receive the P-47N (we don't know if it will be a -1, -5, -15 or -25 model) and this was fitted with OEM pylons as well. With the pylons, speed is as follows from the testing of two production aircraft at Eglin Field.

P-47N-1-RE: All tests flown with full internal fuel at takeoff.

Time to Climb: 10.4 minutes to 25,000 feet.
Time to Climb: 6.2 minutes to 15,000 feet.
High Speed at WEP power (2,800 hp) 364 mph @ sea level.
High Speed at MIL power (2,100 hp) 332 mph @ sea level.
High Speed at MIL power (2,100 hp): 345 mph @ 5,000 feet.
High Speed at WEP power (2,800 hp): 378 mph at 5,000 feet.
High Speed at MIL power (1,760 hp): 438 mph at 42,000 feet.
High Speed at WEP power (2,800 hp) 467 mph at 32,000 feet.
High Speed at WEP power (2,490 hp) 455 mph at 38,750 feet.

My regards,

Widewing

Neil Stirling1 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 04, 2005, 10:23:42 AM »

Hi Widewing, where did you get your P47 D and P47 N data from? I have been after original P-47 test documentation for some time.

Neil.

Widewing · « **Reply #14 on:** July 04, 2005, 10:40:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Neil Stirling1
Hi Widewing, where did you get your P47 D and P47 N data from? I have been after original P-47 test documentation for some time.

Neil.

All but three of the data points can be found in Warren Bodie's Republic's P-47 Thunderbolt. Other data points can be found in Dean's America's Hundred Thousand. Warren sent me a synopsis of the Eglin data for an article I wrote about 5 or 6 years ago. I do not have the original data.

Bodie obtained the original data from his pals, Republic's C. Hart Miller and Chief Test Pilot Lowery Brabham.

My regards,

Widewing