Author Topic: African Birth Rate (Read 1621 times)

Habu · « **Reply #30 on:** July 08, 2005, 10:44:53 AM »

If enough aid was given to magically make every African child live to the age of 75.

In 50 years the world woul d not be able to support the population of Africa let alone Africa be self sufficient.

So what do you do?

lazs2 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 08, 2005, 11:40:04 AM »

Ok... so we admit that wringing your hands and telling everyone how much you care is not gonna work.... we admit that throwing money or aid at the situation is not gonna work..

We admit that simply allowing more africans to survive so that they can overpopulate (defined as using up all the resources that your technolodgy can produce)at an even greater rate is not a good idea...

What was that solution again?

lazs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #32 on:** July 08, 2005, 11:44:43 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok... so we admit that wringing your hands and telling everyone how much you care is not gonna work.... we admit that throwing money or aid at the situation is not gonna work..

We admit that simply allowing more africans to survive so that they can overpopulate (defined as using up all the resources that your technolodgy can produce)at an even greater rate is not a good idea...

What was that solution again?

lazs

dunno but the more I think about it the better my solution sounds.

Orrr We could just leave them alone and let nature do its thing.

Nature always seems to have a way of balancing things like thigs out if left alone.

It aint pretty. it aint polite, Never has been.
But it works and has for thousands of years

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 08, 2005, 11:52:47 AM »

are warlords part of "nature"?

lazs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #34 on:** July 08, 2005, 12:21:47 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
are warlords part of "nature"?

lazs

Would probably fall into the "predator" catagory

but human nature. yea I'd say so.
they've been around as long as we have so....

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #35 on:** July 08, 2005, 12:24:15 PM »

Actually i'd have to say yes outright.
If we look at the rest of the animal kingdom particularly those that live in packs. just as we humas do (only on a larger and more complex scale)
Warlords exist in most species:)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #36 on:** July 08, 2005, 01:32:49 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I'm still trying to figure out how someone dies from "poverty"... you can die when people take the food away... you can die from disease or famine or bad water.. you can die from wars or accidents but being poor doesn't kill you.

How many people are born in subsaharan africa every year? What are the major causes of death?

lazs

"Poverty" in Africa is atrocious. No clean water, barely living on less thatn $1 a day, barely eating. Do you REALLY need someone to draw you a picture of the absolute, appreciation of life that YOU are living? Why do you type some of this watermelon to get a "knee-jerk" reaction?

When I went through Mexico with my family in the Summer of 1990 (we drove from Michigan and made it as far as Villahermosa). Mexicans were so poor (not nearly as bad as in Africa) that they stole the Toilet Seats.

Question lazs. Do YOU think you could live on $365 a day? You know damn well you can't. Feel free to come up with your BS scenarios which wouldn't even give you the appropriate nutrients.

Being "poor" in Africa means you have an increased chance of being born with HIV (um, which definately decreases your life), die of diseases that easily can be prevented.

This is my only post in this thread. Some of you literally sicken me.

I've never said this before, but this thread should be LOCKED.

Karaya

bustr · « **Reply #37 on:** July 08, 2005, 01:41:22 PM »

If you look at the cost in human lives and suffering in Africa due to the West artificialy supporting a population that other wise would not naturally exist, you have to wonder what kind of monsters we have become in our compassion, but missguided arrogance that we know how to "save" the world.............

It's no different than communities in America who pass anti-hunting ordances to protect the "Bambies" and "Thumppers" from the evil hunters. Then they have no answer to their children asking "Mommy why can't I wake up that smelly deer sleeping in the back yard"?

And then all the Mommies go to the local governemnt and demand they save the poor starving deer because it's upsetting thier children.............and the government says "But Ladies you told us to stop all hunting to save the poor deer, but now they are starving to death"!!

And the Mommies say to the government "Well, you start feeding them so they won't starve to death. We saved them from the hunters"!!

And the government responds to the Mommies "Ok that means we will have to raise your taxes to pay for feeding them, keeping them out of your yards, and medicine to stave off the diaseases that will break out from the deer over crowding".

And the Mommies go" Good we have saved the poor littel deer once again. Isn't it good you simply listened to us and did what we know is best"?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 08, 2005, 01:44:27 PM »

Has anyone made a sugestion about what can be done?

You can give the debt relief and its not going to do a damn thing, send more aid and it may help for a short time.

Nothing short of total government reform will help.

IF the US or any other nation tried to go in a wipe the governments, they would get painted with the nation build colonial BS.

But thats what its going to take. Or eventualy aids may kill enough they will do it on their own.

Gunthr · « **Reply #39 on:** July 08, 2005, 02:12:46 PM »

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If we can bring democracy to the middle east and make them free, surely we can bring food to Africa and cure thier hunger.

Maybe democracy needs to bloom in Africa. Or maybe somebody can give us a different explanation as to why these African peoples allow criminals to run their countries?

Samiam · « **Reply #40 on:** July 08, 2005, 02:13:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
You want to solve the African problem? Blockade and isolate it for 5 years. No assistance, no imports, no nothing. The situation would solve itself.

The degree of suffering would be terrible, but it will be no matter what we do.

It's very un-PC, but Lizking probably has the best idea here. Buy nothing from them (including oil), give them no food or cash. Do not forgive debt. Provide what medical relief we can only with Docs on the ground (no simple shipping over medicines and supplies).

It would be painfull to watch, but eventually some semblance of order and civilization would result. Perhaps not one to our liking, but at least something we could deal with.

Habu · « **Reply #41 on:** July 08, 2005, 02:51:14 PM »

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This is my only post in this thread. Some of you literally sicken me.

Karaya [/B]

The problem in Africa is corruption and an out of control birth rate. It is not the west's fault, nor is it the west's problem.

If you want the west to donate billions more to Africa do the right thing and lead by example. Donate 7% of your annual salary to them.

Sandman · « **Reply #42 on:** July 08, 2005, 02:52:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
Maybe democracy needs to bloom in Africa. Or maybe somebody can give us a different explanation as to why these African peoples allow criminals to run their countries?

I was being glib... but now that you mention it, the people of Iraq allowed a criminal to run their country. It seems to be a common theme.

Sandman · « **Reply #43 on:** July 08, 2005, 02:53:08 PM »

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Originally posted by bustr
If you look at the cost in human lives and suffering in Africa due to the West artificialy supporting a population that other wise would not naturally exist, you have to wonder what kind of monsters we have become in our compassion, but missguided arrogance that we know how to "save" the world.............

It's no different than communities in America who pass anti-hunting ordances to protect the "Bambies" and "Thumppers" from the evil hunters. Then they have no answer to their children asking "Mommy why can't I wake up that smelly deer sleeping in the back yard"?

And then all the Mommies go to the local governemnt and demand they save the poor starving deer because it's upsetting thier children.............and the government says "But Ladies you told us to stop all hunting to save the poor deer, but now they are starving to death"!!

And the Mommies say to the government "Well, you start feeding them so they won't starve to death. We saved them from the hunters"!!

And the government responds to the Mommies "Ok that means we will have to raise your taxes to pay for feeding them, keeping them out of your yards, and medicine to stave off the diaseases that will break out from the deer over crowding".

And the Mommies go" Good we have saved the poor littel deer once again. Isn't it good you simply listened to us and did what we know is best"?

You know what you've done. You've made an excellent case for ending welfare in this country.

midnight Target · « **Reply #44 on:** July 08, 2005, 03:39:36 PM »

So, people = deer?

I guess all of you would have voted against the Marshall plan too? I mean why not let Europe starve. The war was their own fault. With all those bombed out ruins the population was too high to be supported by the infrastructure...

Funny how quick we are to sentence innocent people to death when they are so far away.