African Birth Rate

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Manedew
Money isn't the answer ....it's a means to an end.... Too often money has just been given in hopes that corrupt leaders will use the money appropriatly.....

We need to invest the money in things, and see them built, and distributed.

Infastructure
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Road devlepoment, Dam's/hydro electric etc...

Schools

Effective govement

farms and irrigation meathods, and the structre to support it.... you can't have tractors without gas and parts to maintain them.  How many are still farming off an oxen driven plow?  How many have reliable irrigation meathods?


& Goods
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Condom's and other birth controls are needed and should be given freely.

Medicines and even the faciclties to produce needed medicines should be built and given freely.

 

just a few basic ideas ... but point is you don't just throw money at it .... money is nothing but paper.

Without MONEY, these highlighted issues are useless.

Karaya

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Tilt
I think I am with Karaya now even if he isnt with me............

Jeez guys will some of you just  read what you have written!

SEP (Somebody Elses Problem)

Denial

Mass extinction policies?


tens of thousands per day guys.....tens of thousands a day!

dont play debating games with this one.............


there is no simple solution and we (the West) cannot solve it all without African will to do so as well.............

But for sure we cannot / will not help them if we dont attempt to understand stuff..............

Is this the evil that grows when good men do nothing?

Tilt, let me be the first to say the following:  Lord knows you and I have had some run-ins in the past.  But, I'm with you on this.   These guys have no concept on what Poverty in the US and Poverty in Africa.  They are poles apart in scope.

<> Tilt

Karaya

[lazs2]

"Poverty" in Africa is atrocious. No clean water, barely living on less thatn $1 a day, barely eating. Do you REALLY need someone to draw you a picture of the absolute, appreciation of life that YOU are living? Why do you type some of this watermelon to get a "knee-jerk" reaction?

When I went through Mexico with my family in the Summer of 1990 (we drove from Michigan and made it as far as Villahermosa). Mexicans were so poor (not nearly as bad as in Africa) that they stole the Toilet Seats.

Question lazs. Do YOU think you could live on $365 a day? You know damn well you can't. Feel free to come up with your BS scenarios which wouldn't even give you the appropriate nutrients.

Being "poor" in Africa means you have an increased chance of being born with HIV (um, which definately decreases your life), die of diseases that easily can be prevented.

This is my only post in this thread. Some of you literally sicken me.

I've never said this before, but this thread should be LOCKED. "

Ok... first of all... I can easily live on $365 a day... did you mean a year maybe?

And... none of the things you talk about have anything to do with poverty.   They are not a death because of poverty... every single one is a result of overpopulation.   Africans lived on zero dollars a day (or year) berfore we got there.

Is our culture what they need?   Is making them just like us the answer?  I have heard no answers.   Seems that our culture being exported has led to overpopulation and these death rates.

We are blamed today for slaughtering the lifestyle of the indians... the hippies of the plains who had a similar death rate and were every bit as poor as the negoes in africa...

perhaps the real solution is tax free african casinos?

lazs

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by lazs2
"Poverty" in Africa is atrocious. No clean water, barely living on less thatn $1 a day, barely eating. Do you REALLY need someone to draw you a picture of the absolute, appreciation of life that YOU are living? Why do you type some of this watermelon to get a "knee-jerk" reaction?

When I went through Mexico with my family in the Summer of 1990 (we drove from Michigan and made it as far as Villahermosa). Mexicans were so poor (not nearly as bad as in Africa) that they stole the Toilet Seats.

Question lazs. Do YOU think you could live on $365 a day? You know damn well you can't. Feel free to come up with your BS scenarios which wouldn't even give you the appropriate nutrients.

Being "poor" in Africa means you have an increased chance of being born with HIV (um, which definately decreases your life), die of diseases that easily can be prevented.

This is my only post in this thread. Some of you literally sicken me.

I've never said this before, but this thread should be LOCKED. "

Ok... first of all... I can easily live on $365 a day... did you mean a year maybe?

And... none of the things you talk about have anything to do with poverty.   They are not a death because of poverty... every single one is a result of overpopulation.   Africans lived on zero dollars a day (or year) berfore we got there.

Is our culture what they need?   Is making them just like us the answer?  I have heard no answers.   Seems that our culture being exported has led to overpopulation and these death rates.

We are blamed today for slaughtering the lifestyle of the indians... the hippies of the plains who had a similar death rate and were every bit as poor as the negoes in africa...

perhaps the real solution is tax free african casinos?

lazs

I apologize.  $1 a day.  You will not live long on a dollar a day.

Indians didn't live on money, they lived off of the land (fr a helluva lot longer than the US has existed, including the Jamestown, and 1620-on).  We took the land.  I CANNOT dispute this, nor can I change anything.   The Europeans needed money, they didn't.   The Indians had no Death Rate toll of this magnitude.  

The whole Live 8 thing is for the "elimination of debt" which is easier to accomplish than most would have you believe.  

Karaya

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by storch
especially rhodesia now called zimbabwe.  here was a self sufficient country that was prosperous until one sector of the population took it upon themselves to drive out the minority in favor of majority rule.  rhodesia was nice and stable, zimbabwe is a cesspool.  

Your definition of prosperous didn't apply to the majority of the Rhodesian population. Kinda like saying everything was just strawberries and cream down in Mississippi y'all, until darn'ed old Lincoln up and ruined it.

[Habu]

Not true at all. Zimbabwe was the grain basket of Africa. It had a huge food surplus, is rich in minerals like gold and copper, had ample power from its hydroelectric dams.

Now it is a basketcase. It cannot produce enough food to feed itself. The farmland that was turned over to friends of Mugabi is now ruined as the topsoil has blown away after it was overgraized.

The place is a mess and there is no one to blame but its current government.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Habu
Not true at all. Zimbabwe was the grain basket of Africa. It had a huge food surplus, is rich in minerals like gold and copper, had ample power from its hydroelectric dams.

Now it is a basketcase. It cannot produce enough food to feed itself. The farmland that was turned over to friends of Mugabi is now ruined as the topsoil has blown away after it was overgraized.

The place is a mess and there is no one to blame but its current government.

All of which ignores the fact that the majority was in poverty.

[straffo]

Originally posted by slimm50
Heh,  I once worked for the Borden Foods Comapny. They have a minimum number of rodent hairs acceptable in their peanut butter.

Minimum ?
if they have 0 rodent hair they add some to have the minima ?

[lazs2]

karaya... you miss my point.   They had no money in not so ancient africa so.... why does money matter?   why do the tribes need money to survive?   What has changed and...

What is your solution?  Make them more dependent on western style of culture?  make them more dependent on money while increasing their infant survival rate?

I just don't see a western solution to medling into this culture.

lazs

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by midnight Target
All of which ignores the fact that the majority was in poverty.

So poverty for all is better then poverty for most?

[slimm50]

Originally posted by straffo
Minimum ?
if they have 0 rodent hair they add some to have the minima ?

OK, they have a maximum number allowable. Better?

[lada]

Well ... this link is not quite about africa, but its about birth rate. And it quite funny

And its proof that Palestine girls are much more hot that gals of Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4673055.stm

[bustr]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Your definition of prosperous didn't apply to the majority of the Rhodesian population. Kinda like saying everything was just strawberries and cream down in Mississippi y'all, until darn'ed old Lincoln up and ruined it.

If I'm not mistaken the majority of sub Saharan Africa is in the hands of the native populations. Lets wait and see how the indiginous populations fair with their current opportunity to build a better way of doing things than we Western White Men did.

Othere wise all this talk of aid and building infrastructure and making it work this time around sounds like no one has any faith in the ability of the indiginous peoples "to overcome".....................

After all, this time around it's the indiginous population doing or allowing all of the inhumanity to itself.

[straffo]

Originally posted by slimm50
OK, they have a maximum number allowable. Better?

yep ,better

[GtoRA2]

Hey now, a little rat hair give hot dogs that, oh so great taste!!