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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2005, 05:08:19 PM »
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So poverty for all is better then poverty for most?


huh?

Everybody's poor now?



The real question is whether you would rather have abject poverty with no chance for self determination, or abject poverty with a chance for self determination.

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« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2005, 05:18:32 PM »
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The whole Live 8 thing is for the "elimination of debt" which is easier to accomplish than most would have you believe.  

Karaya


Exactly WHAT is the elimination of debt supposed to do?

Do you REALLY think that the governments of those countries are repaying debts to those nasty old western democracies INSTEAD OF feeding their citizens?

I don't have a problem with forgiving the debt. Hell, if they're that poor we'll never get paid anyway, and I wouldn't want people to STARVE to pay a debt. Forgive the debt. Today. Now. Suits me fine.

Go ahead and denounce me as harsh, cruel, uncaring, evil, and heartless, because that is what everyone says about people who see the truth in the situation in Africa.

But POVERTY ain't the freakin problem! You could give them $500 BILLION and they'd starve to death with that too.

You could send the every single ounce of excess agricultural production from the U.S. and they'd STILL starve. You could even restart all the farms that lay fallow and went under for the last 30 years and send them all that could be grown on that and they'd still starve.

You figure out how to change their culture and you'll solve the problems. Convince the 1/3 of the 10 year olds that are having sex not to. Convince the males that having sex with a 6 year old virgin won't cure AIDS. Convince the tribal leaders to stop their atrocities and stop stealing every bit of supplies sent to them and devote their energies towards solving their own problems. THEN maybe money will help. Of course, you'll be villified for changing their culture instead of financing their self driven self destruction.  But good luck anyway.
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« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2005, 05:31:37 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
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We are blamed today for slaughtering the lifestyle of the indians... the hippies of the plains who had a similar death rate and were every bit as poor as the negoes in africa...



lazs


Very good comparison.
Interestingly enough. both were doing just fine til lthe white man showed up
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« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2005, 05:39:26 PM »
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I apologize.  $1 a day.  You will not live long on a dollar a day.

Indians didn't live on money, they lived off of the land (fr a helluva lot longer than the US has existed, including the Jamestown, and 1620-on).
 The Indians had no Death Rate toll of this magnitude.  



Karaya


Same with the africans..till the white man showed up LOL

We have done almost as much harm to these people in the name of "helping" them then we would have when we were trying to hurt them.

In both cases they lost their self sufficiancy do in large part to the white mans greed and insistance they give up their savagery all become good and modern Christians.
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« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2005, 05:42:19 PM »
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The whole Live 8 thing is for the "elimination of debt" which is easier to accomplish than most would have you believe.  

Karaya


Which can bve easily done with the mere stroke of a pen.
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